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So, I took up electric bass again..and enjoy it thoroughly, even if I can't get Sir Duke yet...
The thing that really made me realize my limitations was playing Jaco’s River People, and realizing that my tendency to not truly alternate my fingers, but to play two notes with one finger then two notes with other meant that I could get to 75% of Jaco’s tempo, but I fell apart beyond that.
I applaud your sentiment but it does make me smile a little. I believe it's an artist's duty to search for their own voice and relate articulately what they feel about life with that voice. This does not necessitate playing a million notes in one bar or having an encyclopaedic knowledge of chord progressions (though that can really help). It necessitates your individuality and honesty. Both of which you clearly have in spades.
My thoughts exactly. My question to @Dr. Cheese, as I often ask myself, is this. Why are we interested in this song/piece/tune/exercise/etude/line/riff? Is it for a purpose, such as a show or recording session? Will it give us a technique or new knowledge with which to expand our language? Or do we 'connect' with it when played as a performance piece? If yes to any of these then I'm in. On the other hand, if it's to give me bragging rights on TB or to make me look good at Andertons on a saturday afternoon then I'm rather less inclined.
Over the decades also I've studied loads of classic lines and styles from some of the greatest (IMHO) players - Pino, Levin, Squire, Gunnarsson (ABBA), Gustafson, Karn, Egan, Osborn, Jamerson, Jones, East, Seligman, Miller and, of course, Jaco - to name just a few.
I also studies some of the greatest composers of all time, and one of the stand-out composers for bass was J.S.Bach. But not only that, he was a great scavenger. He re-used and re-purposed his own work (as well as drawing on that of others) over and over in hundreds of different ways. Somehow his music is instantly recognisable yet seemingly infinite in its variety. Discovering the background to this was a revelation for me.
So I became a scavenger. As of now, other than the stuff in the 'has a purpose' group above, I can't really remember more than a couple of dozen or so of the 100's of pieces I worked so hard on in the past. But I remember the study of the techniques, methods, attitudes and approaches that set me on the path to finding my own voice. At some point along that path I acquired the confidence to let go of the pieces and techniques that did not support the voice, such as mainstream slapping or playing with a pick.
So, if working on 'River People' adds something to your language and your music that's great, but unless you have some burning reason to learn it all at tempo, just scavenge what you need from it in order to say what you want to say, then leave the rest behind. It won't make you any less of a player, but will make you less of a clone... And if you think that not being able to play a single given piece defines mediocrity, then I'm sorry Doc, that's just plain bollocks
I love River People and I love Jaco compositions in general learning Jaco properly is a real music education. I love River People because it is a wonderful human approximation of a sequencer. The technique and discipline to play it properly is something that really motivates me. I enjoy playing it whether anyone else likes it or not.
Wonders.... How would Jeff Berlin respond....
The thing that really made me realize my limitations was playing Jaco’s River People, and realizing that my tendency to not truly alternate my fingers, but to play two notes with one finger then two notes with other meant that I could get to 75% of Jaco’s tempo, but I fell apart beyond that. My teacher said he knew no one who loves bass more than me, but I have never gotten where I want to be. I do not really have the time to just remake myself the way a young player could because I have a family and career. I think I could get up to two hours a day, but who knows?
River People will just end up giving you carpal tunnel anyway. LOL.
I have been playing bass longer than many who post here have been alive. For years, I was mainly self taught, and was mostly a bedroom bassist. I have played in bands, and I have gigged a little. Mostly, I have played with choirs since the 1990’s. About five years ago, I started taking lessons, and I have really been consistent for the last three years. I can see the improvement, but it has become obvious to me that I have some ingrained habits that are very hard to stop at sixty. To be blunt, I do not think I will ever come close to what I might have been if I had started serious study at least thirty years ago. Ideally, I should have stuck to string bass in college. That would have given me a very strong foundation. I do not plan to quit lessons or serious practice. I just know that it is more for personal enrichment at this point in life.![]()
Just some friendly advice from someone who has been there. Do not think of playing that line as something that comes from strength. The key to playing lots of notes in time is not about strength, it is about relaxation. The minute you can let go of the concept that practicing is about building up physical strength, and more about NOT tensing up your muscles, is the day you will be able to play those notes in their entirety, and in time. That is the key my friend.I think it has built my strength, at least a little.
Thanks. I think all of the great women players, like Esperanza Spalding, prove that.Just some friendly advice from someone who has been there. Do not think of playing that line as something that comes from strength. The key to playing lots of notes in time is not about strength, it is about relaxation. The minute you can let go of the concept that practicing is about building up physical strength, and more about NOT tensing up your muscles, is the day you will be able to play those notes in their entirety, and in time. That is the key my friend.
This is my feelings also. At 62 I feel like I suck, but when jamming with others, that feeling disappears and I just enjoy playing. Heck, at least you can slap. For some reason I just can't get it. Best to just enjoy playing and forget about the rest.