Martial Arts anyone?

[AmyTheFreak]

I kind Kemp Sho Kai karate for just over 5 years.
I was a 2nd degree junior black belt (I quit before I was 16, that's when you can get an "adult" black belt).

It was a lot of hard work. I didn't know how much I would miss it
I was just exhausted from all the dancing from play practice... and I was getting overall worn out from 5 straight years.

 

[mlowe]

Or Ving Tsun depending on who you talk to. Then there are the endless "NO, MY MASTER HAS THE REAL WING CHUN!!!" lineage wars.

So I choose to say _ing _un.



Yip Man was an opium addict. There are claims that he didn't teach "THE REAL WING CHUN" to some of his students because he didn't trust them. What a teacher. If my bass teacher said "I'm not teaching you THE REAL BASS, because I don't trust you." I'd pop him in the mouth and leave. Luckily he's an awesome guy and more importantly, he could kick my ass.



That has got to be the biggest load of **** that still perserveres in the martial arts.

Yip Man had a business. ALL martial arts schools, even from your wet dreams lands of Japan and China ran schools as a BUSINESS.

And how did they get business? BY PROVING THAT THE ART IS WORTH SOMETHING.

How you ask? BY COMPETING WITH OTHER SCHOOLS AKA FIGHTING.

They didn't twiddle their thumbs and say "Ooh, that martial art is an equal to mine. Let's circle jerk some more."

It's the fact that stupid gweilo/gaijin eat this **** up is why they continue to teach watered down garbage and "only take real students". Yeah right.

As if going to class 3 times a week for an hour will suddenly change your philosophy on life and make you a good person where you were a jerk before hand. Only you can do that. Nothing can force you.

And please, don't sugar coat it. If you want to do "self defense", get a good pair of shoes and do some laps. It's the best way to protect your life. Only an idiots fight in a bar or someone who is holding them up. You're probably going to get shot or brutalized. What you're learning is how to fight and hurt people. If you can't handle that kind of knowledge and need to sugar coat it with "self defense", then you shouldn't be learning it in the first place.

Know why? Because it's still not ok to kill someone, even if they are attacking you. Your ass will go to jail and you are still a jerk when you could have stopped yourself.

You seem to claim you know a lot about my understanding of martial arts. I'm not sure how you think you know but your text confirms you don't know.

Martial arts is like religion to many, it's about a personal thing. What it is to you may not by what it is to me. As for the not teaching the wrong people. I'm all for it. Same reason countries don't want to teach terrorists to fly planes.

Think of it as a simple form of copyrite, are you going to give your enemy your secrets. No your probably not.

Some asian martial arts are at least hundreds of years old and reasoning for the arts was very different to your street fighting attitude.

So the get yourself in jail thing is a crock. You think carrying a glock is better for your legal battle?

I don't know what study or training you've done so I'm not in a position to comment but I have studied and trained for most of my life and what you say doesn't concur.

Remember also, even Asian martial arts have very serious differences in philosophy. eg, Korean / Japanese / Thai

I'd suggest you chill out a little. Maybe take up a great martial art like Hapkido or Kung Fu.

When I made the comment about those who won't teach you, you obviously misunderstood. The real ones here simply won't start you as a student. Not that they will take you on and teach you the wrong thing or watered down. I think it's great westerners learn asian arts, but I can see why they would be concerned about keeping it away from wannabe rambos.


As for Yip Man being a drug addict, so what, so is many of the best musicians in the world.

I bet I could list more musicians on drugs than you can martial artists........

Besides, it's proven that Chilli is the most used drug on the plannet, do we all start picking on the Mexicans?

And yes, Chilli creates a high as does coffee, it's just about were the line of acceptance is.

Never like sugar coating either

All IMO of course.

 

[mlowe]

Oi. I see why you claim that you're always wrong now.

Back on topic, anyone have any experience with using weapons aside from the Kendo stick? While watching a younger class, I noticed they were using Nunchku as a hand-coordination exercise. Out of curiosity, anybody get to use sais/bo/fan/sword?

Sticks and nunchku are great for that until you hit yourself in the jewels for the first time. It's like that pain like no other and then some.

 

[SundanceChile]

Sticks and nunchku are great for that until you hit yourself in the jewels for the first time. It's like that pain like no other and then some.

Lmao! Totally agreed. That's why you start out and stick to foam nunchakus for a while. Also, for some crazy reason unbeknown to me, they're outlawed for individual use in California...

 

[Depth_Charge]

Lmao! Totally agreed. That's why you start out and stick to foam nunchakus for a while. Also, for some crazy reason unbeknown to me, they're outlawed for individual use in California...

If you start out with soft weapons you teach your brain it's safe to make mistakes.

Oh and Poops, I can't be bothered quoting what MLowe has up there, but thats some pretty sensible thoughts IMO. Much better than your interpretation of TV fighting.

In fact, I agree with pretty much most of it.

Except if you want to learn self defense you should do a course specific to self defense. Those teach you a lot more about the psychology of fighting, how to win the pre-fight ritual, how not to look like a target, how to identify a fighter over a punk, and when not to run but stand and deliver, coz you can't always run

 

[SundanceChile]

If you start out with soft weapons you teach your brain it's safe to make mistakes.

I'd rather build my way up the ladder making mistakes then make a mistake and break my nose. My .02.

 

[Poop-Loops]

Martial arts is like religion to many, it's about a personal thing. What it is to you may not by what it is to me. As for the not teaching the wrong people. I'm all for it. Same reason countries don't want to teach terrorists to fly planes.

Which is what's so messed up. MA isn't a religion, it's a sport. You don't have people saying "My soccer is equal to your soccer. Let's not compete and just agree."

The mystical ******** from MA needs to go.

Think of it as a simple form of copyrite, are you going to give your enemy your secrets. No your probably not.

What secrets? How many ways are there to punch and kick someone?

Some asian martial arts are at least hundreds of years old and reasoning for the arts was very different to your street fighting attitude.

Yeah. After the Edo period in Japan, the goverment decided to make martial arts into activities and not fighting systems. That's how you get a lot of the useless kata and moves. It was supposed to be fun, but not useful. In China, Gong Fu was completely replaced with what we have now: dancing.

This is all documented stuff, by the way. None if it is a conspiracy or anything.

So the get yourself in jail thing is a crock. You think carrying a glock is better for your legal battle?

Shooting in self defense or mauling someone in self defense?

I won't be easy until someone is knocked out cold. That will take a beating. The police might not think SD was all that was on your mind. Especially with the adrenaline rush, it won't be easy to stop yourself.

I don't know what study or training you've done so I'm not in a position to comment but I have studied and trained for most of my life and what you say doesn't concur.

Remember also, even Asian martial arts have very serious differences in philosophy. eg, Korean / Japanese / Thai

I'd suggest you chill out a little. Maybe take up a great martial art like Hapkido or Kung Fu.

When I made the comment about those who won't teach you, you obviously misunderstood. The real ones here simply won't start you as a student. Not that they will take you on and teach you the wrong thing or watered down. I think it's great westerners learn asian arts, but I can see why they would be concerned about keeping it away from wannabe rambos.

I've never seen any wannabe rambos in MMA or BJJ. Those people get humbled VERY quickly and either change their attitude or leave. I've seen more cocky people in TKD and KF, because their skills are NEVER tested, they just ASSUME they are good.

It's easier to beat some sense into someone than to teach it to them.

As for Yip Man being a drug addict, so what, so is many of the best musicians in the world.

I bet I could list more musicians on drugs than you can martial artists........

Besides, it's proven that Chilli is the most used drug on the plannet, do we all start picking on the Mexicans?

And yes, Chilli creates a high as does coffee, it's just about were the line of acceptance is.

Never like sugar coating either

All IMO of course.

And I wouldn't want to learn music from a most musicians. Or be friends with them.

Also, LOL at comparing opium to chilli. See how "all things are equal" just doesn't cut it?

 

[bassfacekevin]

Cool, you did HJMS? Nice! Did you know that Master Johnson passed away :'(?

I didn't know that. I really like HJMS, it's a great way to keep in shape, and I was a huge fan of their break-falls. I think that's one of the most important things in martial arts that dosen't really get covered. It's not quite as glamorous to get hip-tossed 20X in a row to learn how to absorb impact, than it is to punch a flaming board.

Anyone into flexible weapons at all? I've started teaching myself to use a weightless manrikigusari. If you use a thick enough gauge chain, you don't need the weights, and it's incredibly powerful. Just don't hit yourself. I wacked myself on the knee and had to call it a day. Terrible.

~K

 

[johnpaulbass]

black belt (2. dan) karate

10 years

great thing

 

[mlowe]

Which is what's so messed up. MA isn't a religion, it's a sport. You don't have people saying "My soccer is equal to your soccer. Let's not compete and just agree."

The mystical ******** from MA needs to go.

Your making this a very easy debate. No, MA isn't a religion as such. I said it was like a religion. It teaches philosophy. And that again will vary depending on the individual. MA teaches mental and respect skills. You could say it's similar to religion in that it teaches you how to respect others or a way to behave. Obviously to you it isn't but to millions of others it is. So be it. Nothing to debate. No, not all MA's are sports. Some are now considered and have been made sports such as Karate, Judo, Kickboxing and Taewondo, there are numerous others that are not and the founders may not agree with it anyway

What secrets? How many ways are there to punch and kick someone?

If we were face to face I could show you many ways to stop you hurting me while holding you in a lock that you certainly will not escape. There's your first error. Not everything is about attack, hit and punch. In fact a fight can be won without a single kick or punch.

Let me quote a few things about hapkido,

"Hapkido is a an art where your avoid being hit, kicked or cut where at the same time you don't hit, kick or cut", As the attack comes your handle it expediently using the power of your opponent. So even women and children can execute these techniques" - Tokyo Asahi 1930.

Knocking people out?

"Like may martial arts, Hapkido emphasizes the unification of the body mind and spirit, the perfection of human character, social responsibility; and the appropriate use of force."

Teaches responsibilities of the skill

"Hapkido philosophy is an outgrowth of east Asian philosophy which has historically been defined by Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism." It's philosophies are not similar to religion?

Yeah. After the Edo period in Japan, the goverment decided to make martial arts into activities and not fighting systems. That's how you get a lot of the useless kata and moves. It was supposed to be fun, but not useful. In China, Gong Fu was completely replaced with what we have now: dancing.

I can't comment on Karate much because I know little about it. I do know that a friend of my instructor here Sam Greco was world Karate champion a few times and K1 contestant and believe me if Karate taught him those skills it's every bit deadly. What I have learned about Japan was the Koreans had issues with them early last century so that may explain why Koreans are a little pissed with the Japanese.

This is all documented stuff, by the way. None if it is a conspiracy or anything.

Of course not, asian martial arts isn't about conspiracy.

Shooting in self defense or mauling someone in self defense?

In your country I can understand owning a gun for self defense, or sport, or hunting. In other countries were your opponent most likely will not have a gun, MA works. It has for me more than once already. Again, for me it works but I'm not implying that it's perfect for you.

I won't be easy until someone is knocked out cold. That will take a beating. The police might not think SD was all that was on your mind. Especially with the adrenaline rush, it won't be easy to stop yourself.

One of the things I was graded on is the use of control. In fact no control no pass. It is one of the most sensitive areas. Holding someone in a lock is about knowing where that braking point is and not going beyond unless there's no choice. Hurting the other person is not the goal, stopping them hurting you is. Again, you personal goal.

I've never seen any wannabe rambos in MMA or BJJ. Those people get humbled VERY quickly and either change their attitude or leave. I've seen more cocky people in TKD and KF, because their skills are NEVER tested, they just ASSUME they are good.

Watch karate kid..... they do exist, there's one here too.

Yes, I agree, that's why after about 5 years of solid kickboxing my focus changed to more a single style. By the way, my whole reason to get into it was to prevent myself being killed. My instructor is a personal friend before training with him and he made some good points about my agression getting me killed one day. MA certainly makes you a better fighter, more fit in the body but for me the mind understanding that one day someones going to kick you butt real good was the best lesson learned. And the dealer could be a skinny little kid.

It's easier to beat some sense into someone than to teach it to them.

That's a disappointing view. I never hit my kids and their constantly teaching me new things. They're 3 and 6.

Yes, the 6 year old is now in MA.

And I wouldn't want to learn music from a most musicians. Or be friends with them.

Really, come on, you can't be serious here. IMO people who are creative and into music make up for IMO the best people. I've observed that, yes i'm stereotyping here, musicians tend to be very open minded people, less racists and more open to accepting others view. Maybe music encourages that. I don't know. The two things I'm encouraging, not forcing my kids to do is music and MA.

Also, LOL at comparing opium to chilli. See how "all things are equal" just doesn't cut it?

I do understand there is a difference between the two. It was simply and example. I'm totally against the misuse of drugs. I have friends who smoke the occasional number by I'm not going to judge them for it. Mainly because they have proven to be better people than many I know that don't.

Alcohol isn't good in excess either but because it's legal we got over it. Does alcohol encourage bad events in some cases, hell yeh. Maybe opium in China 100 years ago was legal? Maybe not? Not relevant.

I don't blame you for you attitude and opinion towards this topic. It seems like you've been misinformed. As for religion, I agree with you 300%. I'm totally against pushing religion and MA for that matter. If you want to do it, you would be already.

 

[D Von]

I took Traditional Okinowin Karate for 7 years up until I was 14 and had to move. I made it to my junior first degree black belt and could probably kick the **** out of myself today lmao.

 

[Depth_Charge]

I'd rather build my way up the ladder making mistakes then make a mistake and break my nose. My .02.

I can understand that sentiment, and would support it for my own children too, but be aware it can still hinder your weapons form development, and if you follow the forms correctly it is impossible to break your nose with nunchaku (we are still discussing those right?), just keep your head up and shoulders back!

Which is what's so messed up. MA isn't a religion, it's a sport. You don't have people saying "My soccer is equal to your soccer. Let's not compete and just agree."

Poops, you need more experience in this mate.

MA, in the traditional sense, is actually a means of preserving and practicing a system of ancient fighting methods and philosophies.
Competition oriented arts are just sport yes, but they don't represent all martial arts mate.

But agree, many Sensei treat it like a religion for sure! Avoid these guys at all costs!!

The mystical ******** from MA needs to go.

No, it doesn't. For example, Aikido would be just Aiki-jutsu without the mystical element. I would have no spirit, just dangerous exponents

What secrets? How many ways are there to punch and kick someone?

There should be no secrets in the Martial Arts I agree, and in some, like BJJ and MMA, there aren't any.

And there are a lot of different ways you can set up, move into, and deliver punches and kicks, or any hard boned part of the body for that matter. Again Poops I have to say, get in there and find out

Yeah. After the Edo period in Japan, the goverment decided to make martial arts into activities and not fighting systems. That's how you get a lot of the useless kata and moves.

Thats not true. KATA is useless if you can't see past the standup applications. I use a TEKKI kata as the basis for an armbar defense in BJJ, and I rarely get arm barred using this application from KATA.
They had to hide the meanings to protect their ability to defend themselves against armed Samurai enforcing no weapon policies! You really need to learn some of this stuff!!!

It was supposed to be fun, but not useful. In China, Gong Fu was completely replaced with what we have now: dancing.

KATA was never meant to be fun, is always useful (the first 5 HEIAN KATA of Shotokan are devestating, and most relate to ground fighting and weapons, not stand up tip-tap crap).

This is all documented stuff, by the way. None if it is a conspiracy or anything.

Documentation does not always imply accurate information

Shooting in self defense or mauling someone in self defense?

I won't be easy until someone is knocked out cold. That will take a beating. The police might not think SD was all that was on your mind. Especially with the adrenaline rush, it won't be easy to stop yourself.

You train to work with adrenalin. Again, if you did, you would know half the battle is fighting through the initial adrenalin dump!!!

I've never seen any wannabe rambos in MMA or BJJ. Those people get humbled VERY quickly and either change their attitude or leave.

I'd encourage you to train more then. They are there, and are quite prolific actually. Many work in fields that require that level of skill, and some are comp freaks that would snap in an instant for all the 'roids in em!

I've seen more cocky people in TKD and KF, because their skills are NEVER tested, they just ASSUME they are good.

+10,000!!!! Some arts are too dangerous to people as they instill a false sense of security. Great point Poops, couldn't agree more mate!!

It's easier to beat some sense into someone than to teach it to them.

Thats an opinion I don't share

 

[Poop-Loops]

Poops, you need more experience in this mate.

MA, in the traditional sense, is actually a means of preserving and practicing a system of ancient fighting methods and philosophies.
Competition oriented arts are just sport yes, but they don't represent all martial arts mate.

But agree, many Sensei treat it like a religion for sure! Avoid these guys at all costs!!

God damn I hate that myth. NO!!

Martial arts are fighting styles. The philosophies are injected into it to add fluff instead of teaching relevant things.

Honor? Humbleness? Discipline? Stuff like that is built through hard training, not some old fart lecturing you. You CAN'T learn it, you have to experience it.

No, it doesn't. For example, Aikido would be just Aiki-jutsu without the mystical element. I would have no spirit, just dangerous exponents

What dangerous exponents? We're talking about Aikido. The art of falling over.

And there are a lot of different ways you can set up, move into, and deliver punches and kicks, or any hard boned part of the body for that matter. Again Poops I have to say, get in there and find out

I was there, dude. I am no master, but I've done my share of learning. There's only so many ways you can punch and throw someone. Different setups are nice, but even that isn't a secret. We're all humans with the same bodies.

Thats not true. KATA is useless if you can't see past the standup applications. I use a TEKKI kata as the basis for an armbar defense in BJJ, and I rarely get arm barred using this application from KATA.
They had to hide the meanings to protect their ability to defend themselves against armed Samurai enforcing no weapon policies! You really need to learn some of this stuff!!!

Then you sir are delusionial. There is no groundfighting kata. Furthermore, you can't learn how to defend yourself or fight by yourself. You need a partner.

KATA was never meant to be fun, is always useful (the first 5 HEIAN KATA of Shotokan are devestating, and most relate to ground fighting and weapons, not stand up tip-tap crap).

There is no groundfighting kata.

Documentation does not always imply accurate information

Of course. It's a government cover-up.

You train to work with adrenalin. Again, if you did, you would know half the battle is fighting through the initial adrenalin dump!!!

Competition adrenaline is different from "HOLY **** I'M ABOUT TO DIE!!!" Adrenaline. I've been punched, kicked, and thrown. But never in a real situation, so I don't know how I'd act.

I'd encourage you to train more then. They are there, and are quite prolific actually. Many work in fields that require that level of skill, and some are comp freaks that would snap in an instant for all the 'roids in em!

The BJJ/MMA school I went to had 6 cops and a few military folks. Nobody was a jerk. It was a really awesome place to train. If I had the $100/month to spare, I'd go again. *sigh*

+10,000!!!! Some arts are too dangerous to people as they instill a false sense of security. Great point Poops, couldn't agree more mate!!

This is really my main point. If people really did test their martial arts skills, we'd quickly find out which arts had something useful and which ones just looked pretty. A lot of it is due to the fighter of course, but on average a Porsch will beat a Honda Civic, yes?

Thats an opinion I don't share

Look above. All I meant was that if your school claims to teach people to be humble and disciplined and honor each other, then it would come by easier if they sparred full-contact or close to there. My BJJ instructor never made me call him "Master" or anything. I usually just called him by his first name. I called everybody else by their first names. But I had massive respect for everybody. Not just because of their skill, but because I knew how long it took to get that skill, so I also respected their dedication.

Obviously I was humble, because I kept getting my ass handed to me. I'm sure you can relate.

 

[Depth_Charge]

:rollseyes:

This is the last one.

God damn I hate that myth. NO!!

Martial arts are fighting styles. The philosophies are injected into it to add fluff instead of teaching relevant things.

Honor? Humbleness? Discipline? Stuff like that is built through hard training, not some old fart lecturing you. You CAN'T learn it, you have to experience it.

No. FIGHTING arts are fighting styles. Tip-tap crappy KATA, forms, look good styles are Martial Arts, and many are traditional ones that are preserved as they were, not modified to work for real as such, myth or not - and I know why the US like discrediting so many Asian myths too

What dangerous exponents? We're talking about Aikido. The art of falling over.

My Lord! Do you really believe that is all Aikido is about? Grow up boy and live a little!!!

I was there, dude. I am no master, but I've done my share of learning.

Done? 12 years in the arts and I don't know anything!!!

Then you sir are delusionial. There is no groundfighting kata.

If you say so. Do you know the moves in TEKKI SHODAN, or NAIHANCHI? There is a part where you slowly extend your arm outwards before smashing your elbow into it. Here:



Observe the slow arm movement.

From your back it's exactly the same movement as someone taking your arm for an armbar in BJJ. Try it. Lay down and do it!!!

The next move, you bring your elbows together. Watch the video.

From your back, this is you turning over (the hidden part in the KATA) and closing your elbows and holding them to preventing him from straightening your arm out!

You are now in mount with him under you, since he rolled off you to take that arm. The arm being "taken" is my trigger to roll over with him and collapse my arms. This works, trust me.

The next move standing you bring both fists to your hips.

On the ground, you are pulling his arm to your hip - 2 vs 1.

The next move, you cross block your arm standing.

On the ground, you have just pushed him arm across his face and pinned it.

The next move standing is a short punch across the body.

If you don't know how that applies on the ground from this position, forget it. Go back to BJJ and tell me the KATA do not relate. I don't mind, it's your problem not mine. I can and do see it, all the time.

There are 3 throws in ENPI too.


[quote="Poop Loops]
Competition adrenaline is different from "HOLY **** I'M ABOUT TO DIE!!!" Adrenaline. I've been punched, kicked, and thrown. But never in a real situation, so I don't know how I'd act.
[/quote]
I have. The adrenalin dump and shaking legs is no different. Just your level of aggression changes between comp and street.

[quote="Poop Loops]]
This is really my main point. If people really did test their martial arts skills, we'd quickly find out which arts had something useful and which ones just looked pretty.
[/quote]
And I;ve done nothing but agree with that. But my point above stands. The KATA can be adapted to any application with an open mind and willingness to experiment. Thats what they are there for.

[quote="Poop Loops]
Look above. All I meant was that if your school claims to teach people to be humble and disciplined and honor each other, then it would come by easier if they sparred full-contact or close to there. My BJJ instructor never made me call him "Master" or anything. I usually just called him by his first name. I called everybody else by their first names. But I had massive respect for everybody. Not just because of their skill, but because I knew how long it took to get that skill, so I also respected their dedication.

Obviously I was humble, because I kept getting my ass handed to me. I'm sure you can relate.[/QUOTE]
My BJJ instructor was the same, since it's a fighting art, not a martial art. He said BJJ for life, and I chose to apply a lot of the lessons to people (like push pull, relax, think ahead etc). But he never pushed his views onto us either.

Cheers. Like I said, I'm done. I need a break.

 

[Poop-Loops]

No. FIGHTING arts are fighting styles. Tip-tap crappy KATA, forms, look good styles are Martial Arts, and many are traditional ones that are preserved as they were, not modified to work for real as such, myth or not - and I know why the US like discrediting so many Asian myths too

Martial = fighting. I thought this was common knowledge.

My Lord! Do you really believe that is all Aikido is about? Grow up boy and live a little!!!

That's what is has become. People want to reach Ueshiba's mastery without putting in the work. Ueshiba trained in a bunch of so-called "hard" styles of martial arts and even fought in war.

Done? 12 years in the arts and I don't know anything!!!

I can see that.

If you say so. Do you know the moves in TEKKI SHODAN, or NAIHANCHI? There is a part where you slowly extend your arm outwards before smashing your elbow into it. Here:

and hang around a bit. Just lurk. Believe me, I know exactly where you are coming from, since I used to be like you. This will give you a new point of view.

 

[Depth_Charge]

Poops, I admire your ability to draw a reaction from me long after I want to

I said I was done, yet, here I am still going

Martial = fighting. I thought this was common knowledge.

I've trained in both martial and fighting arts. I've done Judo, Traditional Shotokan Karate, Muay Thai, and Machado Brazilian Ju-Jitsu. I believe there is a distinction between the two. And you know what mate? I can

That's what is has become. People want to reach Ueshiba's mastery without putting in the work. Ueshiba trained in a bunch of so-called "hard" styles of martial arts and even fought in war.

I am fully aware of both Aikido's history, and Ueshiba in particular. My BJJ instructor has an Aikido background, hence my respect for true exponents.

I can't believe someone as experienced as you can think that fighting on the ground is exactly the same as fighting standing up.

I never said exactly the same. But one can be adapted to the other if you want it to

By your logic, people should learn to ride bikes by laying on their backs and doing "bicycle" movements with their feet. Somehow that will translate to them knowing how to ride a bike.

My logic relates to fighting not to riding bicycles. You are making an assumption that I bring that kind of logic out of the fighting environment.

By my logic, had I not learned TEKKI SHODAN in Karate I would never have related the sequence of moves I described to you to an arm bar defense. Thats all.

I guess I'll have to take your word for it, since I have no street fighting experience.

If you are as mouthy IRL, I predict you will.

Disagree. For the reasons pointed out above.

And I respect that. It is a limitation shared by millions of artists worldwide.

If you want to know my point of view more, go to Invalid Link Removed and hang around a bit. Just lurk. Believe me, I know exactly where you are coming from, since I used to be like you. This will give you a new point of view.

No, I would like to train with you, share time with you on the mats, and learn from you, and you from me.
The more you suggest non-environment examples for me to research, the more I believe you don't train.

And that quip you made about understanding what I don't know is lost on you.

I know without having met you that if you couldn't run and had to face me, I can put you through walls.

In the context we are talking, one on one unarmed manly combat, thats all the knowledge I need mate! The rest is academic. And no, thats not a threat, just a sentiment I have after chatting with you on both subjects we have been.

 

[Poop-Loops]

No, I would like to train with you, share time with you on the mats, and learn from you, and you from me.

I haven't read most of your post. I'm going to bed, so I'll do it tomorrow. I'll give you that break you were wanting.

But if I end up going to Australia for grad school, I'll be sure to look you up.

 

[Aaron Saunders]

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[mlowe]

A thread with so much entertainment and education all rolled in to one.



Mr Poop, I can see your point about the fluff, but you must see that there is also a lot that isn't. It can be repetitively demonstrated again and again.

Also, you don't think the worlds military doesn't show a little. Including and especially USA. Sure it's a discipline thing is some ways but not in others. I mean the term "We're gonna kick some butt" is synonymous with stars and stripes. The west seems to make more of a show pony event out of it than any Asian people. Sure Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan etc perform but what they do is quite incredible. Slowing down film for Bruce, Jackie doing all his own stunts. At least the show pony component of what they do has some talent.

"Use only that which works, and take it from any place you can find it." Bruce Lee

Take from it what you will.

 

[mlowe]

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Sadly so true, like anything you need to study where you should study. Do feel sorry for those who are not aware until they have already been put off such a great thing.