LOL. yes poop, it's obvious that your extensive MA training has made you the paragon of humility we see here today.
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Martial Arts anyone?
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LOL. yes poop, it's obvious that your extensive MA training has made you the paragon of humility we see here today.
Damn this thread actually looks like its going somewhere... Unlike you if you get into a fight with some dude today, they will probably have a gun and you will most definitly lose. I took karate when I was little, when it was cool. Taking karate for anything other than meditation or fitness is just stupid because in reality, if you happen to get into a fight and hurt someone badly; chances are you will go to jail. Anyway do whatever floats your boat because if your not getting any action in the bedroom, your bound to get action in a barfight.
Oh, and whoever said that you shouldn't use foam weapons when training is a ****ing dumbass because everyone hits themselves in the head or nuts at least once and it sucks. I just wish they made foam weapons that were close to the weight of the real thing. Switching from foam to something like fibreglass is a big step and they should create
something for the newcomers. Btw, incase you missed my previous post, I'm a ranked first degree black belt.
Oh, and whoever said that you shouldn't use foam weapons when training is a ****ing dumbass because everyone hits themselves in the head or nuts at least once and it sucks. I just wish they made foam weapons that were close to the weight of the real thing. Switching from foam to something like fibreglass is a big step and they should create
something for the newcomers. Btw, incase you missed my previous post, I'm a ranked first degree black belt.
We don't have gun toting cowboys down here mate. Not yet, anyways!
And I don't get into fights. I avoid situations where fights often occur, walk confidently take care and not appear target-like, I conflict resolve my way out of situations before they escalate to a fight, and I recognise when it's time to stop a fight starting
All these traits, combined = SELF DEFENSE! So yeah, blind side or gang attack me me if need be. Or shoot me. Those tactics WILL work a lot of the time.
It's me called up to demonstrate live weapon forms
Our brains learn to accept mistakes the more we make them. That was my point. What you think of me for having an opinion is up to you. I would never encourage anyone else to train like that, especially for a sport. I didn't train for sport though.
As for rank I could care less about ranks. That belt only covers 2 inches of your waist, YOU have to cover your ass. And 1st Dan means you know the basics and nothing more. Come chat again at 4th Dan, when you've done something with the knowledge you paid for.
And I don't get into fights. I avoid situations where fights often occur, walk confidently take care and not appear target-like, I conflict resolve my way out of situations before they escalate to a fight, and I recognise when it's time to stop a fight starting
All these traits, combined = SELF DEFENSE! So yeah, blind side or gang attack me me if need be. Or shoot me. Those tactics WILL work a lot of the time.
That was me. I've trained in ROKUSHAKU BO (6 foot staff), TONFA (nightsticks basically) and NUNCHAKU. I've hit myself plenty, but not as much and for not as long as people learning around me with foam weapons first. Oh and pssst.
It's me called up to demonstrate live weapon forms Our brains learn to accept mistakes the more we make them. That was my point. What you think of me for having an opinion is up to you. I would never encourage anyone else to train like that, especially for a sport. I didn't train for sport though.
As for rank I could care less about ranks. That belt only covers 2 inches of your waist, YOU have to cover your ass. And 1st Dan means you know the basics and nothing more. Come chat again at 4th Dan, when you've done something with the knowledge you paid for.
We don't have gun toting cowboys down here mate. Not yet, anyways!
And I don't get into fights. I avoid situations where fights often occur, walk confidently take care and not appear target-like, I conflict resolve my way out of situations before they escalate to a fight, and I recognise when it's time to stop a fight starting
All these traits, combined = SELF DEFENSE! So yeah, blind side or gang attack me me if need be. Or shoot me. Those tactics WILL work a lot of the time.
That was me. I've trained in ROKUSHAKU BO (6 foot staff), TONFA (nightsticks basically) and NUNCHAKU. I've hit myself plenty, but not as much and for not as long as people learning around me with foam weapons first. Oh and pssst.
Our brains learn to accept mistakes the more we make them. That was my point. What you think of me for having an opinion is up to you. I would never encourage anyone else to train like that, especially for a sport. I didn't train for sport though.
As for rank I could care less about ranks. That belt only covers 2 inches of your waist, YOU have to cover your ass. And 1st Dan means you know the basics and nothing more. Come chat again at 4th Dan, when you've done something with the knowledge you paid for.
rock on dude, sorry i called you a dumbass. yea your right though, i knew the basics but thats pretty much it because my sensei was kind of a hacker and just wanted me to keep going to class just to run the lower ranks through drills.
LOL. yes poop, it's obvious that your extensive MA training has made you the paragon of humility we see here today.
There's humility, and then there's bending over and taking it. I am not spouting about my "uber skills", I am saying what I know is right. There's a difference.
I remember during one of my last days in TKD, I was sparring some guy. Did a perfect reverse punch like we need for forms. Didn't do any damage. Instructor says "No no, those are good for forms, but you have to put power behind your punch when sparring!"
Me: "What the f--" *kicked in the face*
This guy wasn't some chump, either. He had an 8th dan in TKD and really did know what he was doing. It's just the inherent flaw in forms that make them garbage.
No need to apologise, I understand why you said it. Teaching is one of the best ways to learn. Pity most people see a black belt as the end of something, not the beginning
Nothing left to say to me Poops?
Reading your last couple of posts you have not experienced enough of the arts to know anything about them IMNSHO.
What's left to say? You have this imaginary distinction between martial arts and what fighting is, and there doesn't seem to be a way to change your view.
What's the imaginarly part again? Is Capoiera a 'martial art'? Is that what 'fighting' is?
It seems to me that any reasonable person with even a modicum of MA experience should easily be able to see the difference.
Capoiera is basically dancing. It was disguised as such so they could practice as slaves and not make a fuss about it. Too bad there really isn't much practical use out of it.
I understand what Capoiera is. But that's not what I'd asked.
Is it a martial art or not? There is dancing and musical ability involved. There is also a simulated fighting fighting game that involves the use of tactics, balance, flexability and speed. Plus there are all of the cultural and traditional components. Is it the epitomie of fighting styles? Of course not.
I want to know how that meshes with your insistance that there is no 'art' in martial arts. Is Capoiera completely without use and merit since it doesn't teach you to be an ass-kicking machine.
Capoiera is an art, but as far as it being a "martial" art, I'd have to be on poop's side on this... Learning capoiera will surely make you flexible and dexterous, but it won't teach you to kick some ass.
Then again, IMHO, no "martial art" really does. If you want to kick ass, pick up boxing. If you want to learn self control, and keep in shape, pick up a martial art.
Then again, IMHO, no "martial art" really does. If you want to kick ass, pick up boxing. If you want to learn self control, and keep in shape, pick up a martial art.
But that's my point, in order for something to be considerd a 'martial art' it needs to teach you a practical way to 'kick some ass'?
Capoiera certainly does teach a way to fight. But just becuase it's not the best one, then it's not a 'martial art'? That seems rediculous to me. By that logic, TONS of styles that almost everyone would agree ARE 'martial arts', in fact aren't, simply becuase they aren't the 'best' fighting styles (by whatever personal definition you use). Think of TKD with all it's fancy flying/spinning kicks. TDK is not a martial art now because it isn't a practical way to fight a real world battle?
Furthermore, since many people agree that the BEST fighting style is Track and Field (for it's superior use of the 'art of running away'), then there really ARE no 'martial arts'. Does this make a vaild argument?
Capoeira teaches you to fight the same way training in traditional theatrical wushu teaches you to fight -- "movie star" style.
"Martial art" is a very fluid term, and capoeira is very firmly a performance and dance art. Talk to real practitioners of capoeira, they'll be the first to tell you it's very, very "un-martial."
Not to say capoeira isn't amazing, one of the best ways in the world to keep fit (those guys are in scary shape) and requiring the utmost in dedication, focus, and athletic ability -- but it's not going to teach you how to fight. The Protector = not reality.
Martial arts with an emphasis on the "martial":
Western and Thai boxing
Savate
BJJ
Wrestling (greco-roman, catch, sub, etc.)
Akijiu-jitsu
Kyokushin karate (and a couple other specific disciplines)
Judo
Jiu-Jitsu
Sambo
Martial arts with an emphasis on the "art":
Capoeira
Pretty much all kung-fu (sorry guys)
Most forms of karate
Modern day aikido
Modern day/American TKD
Wushu (performance fighting)
Read this quote yesterday, don't know who it's attributed to though: "In a fight, we never rise to our expectations but rather we fall to the level of our training." The style of training is the main differentiator between being a martial "art" (effective but not quite so pretty) and a "martial" art (looks great, but trying it in a fight will get you stomped.)
EDIT: Sorry, forgot one more category...
Martial arts with an emphasis on being ********:
Ninjitsu
RBSD
I'm not arguing that capoiera has real world application. I think that's clear in my post.
My question is basically 'what is required for something to be considered a 'martial art'. For me, it just needs to be a set of physical techniques that relate to a fight. What about Tai-Chi? Aikido? Is iaido not a martial art because it's impratical to carry a katana around? Is skeet shooting the ultimate martial art? I guarantee I my skeet shooting style totally kicks any of those BJJ MMA losers' asses.
I know some great Capoiera guys too. I'd agree they'd be the first to admit it's practical limitations, but 'un-martial' isn't something I've ever heard them say.
Edit: I got in before your edit Aaron. The expanded post is more the kind of answer I was aiming for and I tend to agree.
BTW, what's RBSD?
Edit #2 nevermind think I worked it out. (Reality Based Self Defense?)
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55524
RBSD = reality based self defense. Basically, it's every white-suburban-anti-terrorist-paranoid wet dream. Oh, and they generally wear camo, to make sure everybody knows that the military uses RBSD (which = BS, to continue the acronym game.)
EDIT: Also, I forgot to include JKD in that last post. JKD falls somewhere in between, because there are a lot of McDojo's that sprang up after Bruce Lee died and taught a watered down, BS version that's just going to give you a false sense of security and get you killed. Also, the main problem with JKD is that it (was) a very incomplete martial art still in its infancy when Lee died so young. In the ensuing years, specific practitioners (Dan Inosanto being the most prevalent among other direct students of Lee) have made strong efforts since then to teach JKD as they were taught.
If you're going to train JKD, I'd look for a certification from Dan Inosanto or otherwise a specific notation of "Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do," Jun Fan being Bruce's original Chinese name and it generally signifies that it's the same stuff Dan and others teach as well.
RBSD = reality based self defense. Basically, it's every white-suburban-anti-terrorist-paranoid wet dream. Oh, and they generally wear camo, to make sure everybody knows that the military uses RBSD (which = BS, to continue the acronym game.)
EDIT: Also, I forgot to include JKD in that last post. JKD falls somewhere in between, because there are a lot of McDojo's that sprang up after Bruce Lee died and taught a watered down, BS version that's just going to give you a false sense of security and get you killed. Also, the main problem with JKD is that it (was) a very incomplete martial art still in its infancy when Lee died so young. In the ensuing years, specific practitioners (Dan Inosanto being the most prevalent among other direct students of Lee) have made strong efforts since then to teach JKD as they were taught.
If you're going to train JKD, I'd look for a certification from Dan Inosanto or otherwise a specific notation of "Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do," Jun Fan being Bruce's original Chinese name and it generally signifies that it's the same stuff Dan and others teach as well.
