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Mesa/Gibson corporate BS over free speech

Got me started on corporations. I worked Retail Management most of my life. Used to be a somewhat fun, enjoyable job until merger mania and executive greed took over in the 80's. Can't believe all the bad decisions I've seen these "highly educated business school" types make.
True!
Yet cynically, I often wonder if these "bad decision" were 100% intentional, just based on a shorter timeline and from a different perspective:

These business school types might have another job lined up, so they're just focused on pumping the end of quarter earnings to give the stock price a bump.
Once they sell their stock options at the higher price, they can move to the new job with an impressive new bullet for their resumé. ..and buy a shiny new car with the proceeds of their stock bump.

They don't care that they weakened the business and damaged the brand because they milked the cow before the carcass started to smell.

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If only Gibson would reissue the RoadReady 8x10:

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Call it the Mesa/Boomer DadRockReady 8x10.

I'd buy four of 'em!
 
Bold of you to assume that youtube, also known as google, isn't a government entity. There are undercover military intelligence and government agents in EVERY major industry. Most likely especially in Google, one of the backbones of communication on this planet.
Google is NOT a governmental entity.

Why would you think that it is?

It's a private, for profit, corporation.
 
Ya'll can go back and forth about corporate tenancies, rights of ownership, etc. I am buying a new amp this week and it was down to Mesa and GK, with the edge going to Mesa because of their factory support. Given they way I expect Gibson to change Mesa and their policies, I don't expect that kind of support to stick, so now I'm leaning GK. I'm also a fan of voting with my dollars (which I encourage any of you concerned with the ethics do also do), and anyone that's going to fire Randall isn't getting my $$.

I won't buy another Mesa amp. They are the best-built, best engineered amps on the market.....but the customer service will fall off under Gibson. Gibson is a destroyer of brands, not a builder of them. Plus, although I've gigged Mesa Subway for almost a decade so far, I'm still not 100% satisfied with it.

From the way outside looking in, I'm thinking Mr Smith, with 50-odd years of his life invested in M/B, was looking for not just any buyer, but someone who would continue the Mesa reputation. Gibson, in its post Henry J iteration has restored the brand and smartly expanded the brand. It makes perfect sense for Gibson to acquire Mesa, as it instantly buys them instant credibility as an upmarket amp to pair with their upmarket products, and immediately saved them a kings ransom in not having to grow an organization like that.

Furthermore, the acquisition only makes sense if the plan is for Mesa to remain a top-shelf, world-class line at a time when in a practical sense tube amps are mature, ampless stages and emulators are making inroads, and cheapening the brand name would be a ticket straight downhill that would wreck the reputation, to never be recovered. The smart people would leverage the Mesa brain trust for inexpensive amp designs to be sold as Gibson or Epiphone amps, or maybe a new brand name.

As most of these acquisitions go, the original brain trust is kept around for a period of time to finish projects and aid the integration, and at the conclusion of that process, they usually move on to a deserved retirement or possibly new interests. In the meantime, tongues wag, but I can tell you that Gibson under Mr Guelkian is a different universe than the Henry days, and as such, I'd be very surprised, stunned, if Randall Smith had to suddenly turn in his badge and keys and he escorted off the property.

Gibson is "better", but they only had 2 directions to go, out of business, or improve. So they are better in a relative sense. They've still done some stupid stuff.

I called the Mesa decline the day the acquisition went public and was flamed over and over for it.
 
I won't buy another Mesa amp. They are the best-built, best engineered amps on the market.....but the customer service will fall off under Gibson. Gibson is a destroyer of brands, not a builder of them. Plus, although I've gigged Mesa Subway for almost a decade so far, I'm still not 100% satisfied with it.



Gibson is "better", but they only had 2 directions to go, out of business, or improve. So they are better in a relative sense. They've still done some stupid stuff.

I called the Mesa decline the day the acquisition went public and was flamed over and over for it.
Tell me, where is this Mesa decline you speak of?:eyebrow:
 
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That's what I'm wondering.

As someone who actually worked at Gibson Nashville on the line in the 90's, I, indeed watched Henry J buy and wreck one brand after another: Tobias, Trace, Oberheim,Steinberger and more. Ran them right into the ground. For instance, they had huge problems trying to to build the Tobias basses, and were left hanging when they made the decision to not implement the layup/autoclave process to continue Steinberger carbon fiber production. Trace was later sold to Peavey.

The factory when I was there was a grim, sad place to work. The only job I ever just lost my s**t and quit/walked out with no notice. It was misery day after day, and had I stayed there any longer . . . I'd rather not consider. In those days, unless you were a huge star like Billy Gibbons, their 'smaller' endorser artists got . . . seconds!

I can tell you with no hesitation that the current iteration of Gibson is completely different and FAR better than it's been in many, many years, especially after Cesar G took over as CEO. Big investments in modernized plant, people, and most dealers will tell you current Gibson's as a whole are far better than what they've seen in a long time.
 
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Why would Gibson buy a brand like Mesa just to destroy it? Makes zero sense.

More likely it was clash of personalities, after all Randall has been used to being sole boss for a long long time.

I am enjoying his YouTube videos, he is a great raconteur.
why did they buy tobias just to destroy it? most companies don't buy companies to destroy them. they want to make money with them, maybe gain some prestige. but often - and not only with instruments - they don't know how to deal with the company they buy, a new decision-maker decides they don't need another brand or they decide to save money by making the company use the parts the parent company uses, which are often inferior or at least not as good as the under-company's was. this happens in the auto industry, too.
 
why did they buy tobias just to destroy it? most companies don't buy companies to destroy them. they want to make money with them, maybe gain some prestige. but often - and not only with instruments - they don't know how to deal with the company they buy, a new decision-maker decides they don't need another brand or they decide to save money by making the company use the parts the parent company uses, which are often inferior or at least not as good as the under-company's was. this happens in the auto industry, too.

If It was another guitar brand I might believe it, after all it's not unheard of for a corporation to acquire a competitor and then close it, but Gibson was in no competition with Mesa and Mesa is a prestige brand that is good for Gibson's image. I reckon the deal was in good faith and Mesa will thrive.

Incidentally being a player of the high-pitched 6-string as well as a bassist I treated myself to one of the new Gibson guitar combos, designed of course by Randall and the team at Mesa. An excellent amp.

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If It was another guitar brand I might believe it, after all it's not unheard of for a corporation to acquire a competitor and then close it, but Gibson was in no competition with Mesa and Mesa is a prestige brand that is good for Gibson's image. I reckon the deal was in good faith and Mesa will thrive.

Incidentally being a player of the high-pitched 6-string as well as a bassist I treated myself to one of the new Gibson guitar combos, designed of course by Randall and the team at Mesa. An excellent amp.

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When stockholders are involved, it usually doesn't bold well.
 
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There's been some responses in this thread that are completely derailed when it becomes obvious that they didn't even watch the video before responding and speculate on things addressed in the video.

There's a group that'll definitely read a subject and respond. No time for details on the internet.