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Mesa M9 mega thread

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+1 Same here. While my WalkAbout has proven to be one of my heads that is the most responsive to tube-rolling, the M6 is not as sensitive in this regard.

Thanks Tom. I have a Walkabout too! Which tubes in the Walkabout make a difference? (all of them, or is there one tube (Usually the V1/first tube affects tone more than others if the WA is similar to guitar amps.) I should probably re-tube anyway since my Walkabout is about 8 years old. PM to avoid further thread derail. Thx! Gary
 
Gary:
thread swerve for the win;)
Tom: I'd be curious to know what you have where in your WA, and why, but, maybe post in the Walkabout thread?

LOL Chef. Yeah I know. That's why I requested a PM. Heading over to the Walkabout thread for the 'save.' :eyebrow:

We now return you to the M9 Mega thread. Tube apparently doesn't have a huge affect when swapping. Check.
 
Tom: I'd be curious to know what you have where in your WA, and why, but, maybe post in the Walkabout thread?

I'm sure I've already posted this in several of the "WalkAbout threads," but here's what I had put on my old blog after doing the WalkAbout tube rolling experiment:

Well, I finally had time over the weekend to run through my batch of preamp tubes in my Walkabout and decide which one worked best. The tubes at my disposal were as follows:

Mullard 12AT7/CV4024
JAN Phillips 12AX7
JAN GE 5751
Shuguang 12AX7C9
Telefunken ECC83 (smooth plate)
JJ ECC83S

The original Mesa tubes said "Russian 2" on them, but I don't know who made them.

Virtually all of the tubes mentioned above offered some kind of improvement over the stock tubes. However, most differences were very subtle.

The Mullard was by far the warmest sounding, and had a good deal of low mids - too much for the already mid-heavy Walkabout. Still, if you are looking to add some meat, the Mullard would certainly do that.

The JAN Phillips is a great all around tube. Very nicely balanced tonally, with good articulation.

The JAN GE 5751 also had good tonal balance and was a pleasant sounding tube - not harsh at all. However, with the reduced gain, it didn't overdrive as well as the others, which is something I like to do with the Walkabout.

The Shuguang was a bit of a surprise. Upon first firing it up, I thought that it might be the ticket. Very robust signal and tone, overdrives great. However, then I noticed that it was really bringing out the finger/string noise in a huge and somewhat obnoxious way. I don't know if this means that it was slightly microphonic, but it was not desirable. Too bad, because otherwise this tube has a lot of promise.

The Telefunken was the most articulate tube of the bunch, with a bit more upper mids than most. Very clean sounding tube with the Gain down and the Master up, and probably sounded the best of the bunch when overdriven. Good balance, too.

The JJ was very similar to the Tele. Not quite as articulate, but perhaps had sweeter high end. Overdrove quite well, though not as nice as the Tele.

By comparison, the stock Mesa tubes did not have as much articulation as any of the tubes above (though they were close to the Mullard in that regard), and the tone was not as coherent. They did overdrive quite nicely, though not as convincingly as the Tele or JJ. Granted, there wasn't a huge difference overall, but I would say that you can do better than the stock tubes, and it shouldn't cost you an arm and a leg.

Ultimately, it came down the JAN Phillips, the Tele, and the JJ. These three were the most similar sounding of the bunch. I ended up choosing the Tele for its articulation and best overdrive tone. The JJ would probably be my second choice, although the JAN Phillips was very, very comparable.

The Walkabout has a second tube which drives the MOSFETs, and after playing around a bit, I chose the JAN Phillips for that duty. It really is too bad that the Shuguang had that string noise thing going on, because it really kicked in the pre-MOSFET socket - most balls and gain of the bunch.

There are a lot of good tubes that I didn't get a chance to try, but there you have the results of my own very unscientific preamp tube shootout.

Hope this helps, Tom.

P.S.
I got my tubes from Doug's Tubes, and he was very helpful.
 
The Mesa folks (Rich Duvall) asked I bring it in Monday next at 9:30 WITH a cab and an instrument that will produce the problem. Now I need to prepare a demo...


UPDATE:

Schedule did not permit plan A. Plan B has been authorized by Rich at Mesa. I am shipping it back to them. This is the head's second visit to Mesa. Wish I could have taken it in Monday, but had to head home. :bawl:

The local authorized repair folks tried to sort it out a while back, but Mesa says they want it...apparently there have been revisions since I had the thermal retro fit. :ninja:

Boo Hoo—I will miss my pet dragon. Hope they can reproduce the wo-wo-wo-wo problem. :crying:
 
Proud new owner of an M9. Upgraded from my beloved M6. I can't believe how awesome this head is! I've played and owned a good amount. I think this is by far the best amp for all the various tones in my head bar none. It's so fast, punchy, and incredibly versatile. I'm in love.

You guys that own this and the walkabout have got it all IMO. Someday, I may grab one of those too for the occasional gig that could benefit from a tubier tone. But for 95% of my gigs, the M9 is IT. For the other 5% it's 95% IT with the right EQ. so versatile, and the compression is super nice to have as well. I'm loving the way it evens out my bass from top to bottom. No more lead sleds that break my back, and no more class D that always leave me wanting. ;)
 
I ended up trying Voice 4 last night with the band.

Holy.

Carp.

That setting crushes for punchy, aggressive tone. I thought I had that pretty much dialed in with my GEQ and actually when A/B'ing they're relatively close but man, it's awesome. I think I'm gonna use that for my "standard" tone from here on and then when I want something different like a more supportive, big bottom/rounded tone I'll dial in via the GEQ. Was doing the opposite but I think it works much better this way.
I had to adjust my OD pedals because I was getting a little honk since the boost there is around 350-400hz but within minutes I was back to good (thx Rob Thomas) and we're set. I never knew my NS-5 could be this punchy.

I wonder if Mesa would ever do like an M9.5 and eliminate the GEQ and just have all 4 Voicings available via footswitch! :D (or 5 if you count "Flat" @ 3).
 
You guys that own this and the walkabout have got it all IMO. Someday, I may grab one of those too for the occasional gig that could benefit from a tubier tone.


You could, or try a tube preamp/pedal with the M9 when you want a tubier tone. The M9 works great with pedals IME and it'd be cheaper than a whole other amp.
 
andrew said:
You could, or try a tube preamp/pedal with the M9 when you want a tubier tone. The M9 works great with pedals IME and it'd be cheaper than a whole other amp.

Yeah, I've got a Tech 21 VT and it's pretty cool for that overdriven Ampeg thing. But there's a quality of feel in tube amps that I don't think can be replicated in a pedal. I'm not speaking of tube break up or overdrive or that sort of thing that can be had from a pedal. I mean the kind 'bounciness' in the feel. My old Streamliner had that as well my DB750. I've never heard a pedal that could replicate that aspect of a tube amp.
 
Another important point about the voicing access differences between the M6 and M9...

Not only do you have direct individual access to all 4 voicings on the M6, THEY MAY ALSO BE COMBINED.

Personally, I'd never need this much goosing 'cause the amp "flat" is pretty much right where I want it the vast majority of the time, but for those who really like to mess with alternate sounds, this can be an important feature.

I should also mention that at least to my ear, the M6 and M9 do not have a "night/day" difference in "loudness". They both pretty much crush, so if you're looking at both amps right now, don't make power a primary selection criteria. Seriously.
 
I should also mention that at least to my ear, the M6 and M9 do not have a "night/day" difference in "loudness". They both pretty much crush, so if you're looking at both amps right now, don't make power a primary selection criteria. Seriously.

+1 True, dat. :cool:
 
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