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Mesa Subway D-350!

#182
agedhorse said:
It would need to be significantly smaller than the D-800, no doubt. Possible a similar feature set but there's not the room to add features. Of course it would need to be less expensive along with lower power but this also opens up the possibility of eliminating the fan.

Your comments have been both enlightening and helpful
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#184
Downunderwonder said:
Volume or side lengths?

For the non mathematical, a 9% reduction in side lengths gets a 25% reduction in volume.
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Estimated volume in cubic inches... unless you are from a metric country and then it would be in cubic centimeters.
 
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agedhorse said:
It would need to be significantly smaller than the D-800, no doubt. Possible a similar feature set but there's not the room to add features. Of course it would need to be less expensive along with lower power but this also opens up the possibility of eliminating the fan.

Your comments have been both enlightening and helpful
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What is the size of the subject of this thread, the D 350 versus a current D 800?
 
#187
agedhorse said:
Don't know anything for sure, but I would hope about 25% smaller than a D-800
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Sorry, I hoped you understood, I was referring to this:
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VS this:
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I am guessing from the knobs and whatnot, they're about the same size.

I thought the D-350 was smaller :)

I wasn't referring to this new dream machine you kids are now talkin' about ;)

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I don't know why I'm worried about this, I'm happy with my WD-800.
Don't need less power :)
 
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DJ Bebop said:
Sorry, I hoped you understood, I was referring to this:
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VS this:
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I am guessing from the knobs and whatnot, they're about the same size.

I thought the D-350 was smaller :)

I wasn't referring to this new dream machine you kids are now talkin' about ;)

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I don't know why I'm worried about this, I'm happy with my WD-800.
Don't need less power :)
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Downunderwonder said:
I don't think a 25% volume reduction would be significant without a good price advantage to go with it.

3 main markets as I see it. Newbies, giggers wanting imo plenty enough watts and all the goodies, and backup amp carrying 800 users. Pick 2.
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Downunderwonder said:
Elf has a lot to answer for in the inflated expectations to put Mesa tone and reliability into something more like 75% reduced volume, at a guess.
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The D-350 in the picture is just a one-off proof of concept piece, the size is somewhat arbitrary on that.

25% reduction could be 25% shorter or less deep or a combination, 30% - 40% may even be possible but I really don't know. It depends.

Compared with the ELF, there would be more features, including dual SpeakOns and our standard DI section, so it couldn't possible be that small... and almost twice the power too. To expect that would be unrealistic IME.
 
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#191
The ELF is $300, which isn't cheap. More than a dollar a watt.

What would I pay for a MESA version of this? I'd start at $600, but not sure how much more. It would depend on the actual final version, wattage, etc. If it was 500w, $600 is kind of my sweet spot. Otherwise, the D800 starts to look good as a backup amp.

Since I want it as a backup, size is the main thing. I'd think it would be tough for MESA to get it down to ELF sized without investing in machinery to make SMD and the like (don't know what I'm talking about here, BTW). I think I'd like something like a 1U-height unit, like the GK MB 800, Markbass F1, and the like. Height it the thing for me, as it decreases packing depth for transport.


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What about rack ears?!!!
agedhorse said:
The D-350 in the picture is just a one-off proof of concept piece, the size is somewhat arbitrary on that.

25% reduction could be 25% shorter or less deep or a combination, 30% - 40% may even be possible but I really don't know. It depends.

Compared with the ELF, there would be more features, including dual SpeakOns and our standard DI section, so it couldn't possible be that small... and almost twice the power too. To expect that would be unrealistic IME.
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@agedhorse Silly question here. Why dual SpeakOns? Especially since we have the ability to daisy chain cabinets. I know the space required for duals is probably insignifiant in the guts, but the real estate they would occupy on the rear panel is, spatially. I would happily accept one SpeakOn if it would make the amp significantly smaller. I don't think I've ever had two SpeakOns connected to my amp (other than when I first got it and was in the experimental stage).
 
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agedhorse said:
Compared with the ELF, there would be more features, including dual SpeakOns and our standard DI section, so it couldn't possible be that small... and almost twice the power too. To expect that would be unrealistic IME.
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Idle question, and I can imagine you might not be able to or allowed to answer it: What is Mesa's minimum required feature set for a bass amp? In the sense of, if these particular features or performance specs aren't included, it's not something that Mesa is willing to manufacture.
 
#196
FatStringer52 said:
@agedhorse Silly question here. Why dual SpeakOns? Especially since we have the ability to daisy chain cabinets. I know the space required for duals is probably insignifiant in the guts, but the real estate they would occupy on the rear panel is, spatially. I would happily accept one SpeakOn if it would make the amp significantly smaller. I don't think I've ever had two SpeakOns connected to my amp (other than when I first got it and was in the experimental stage).
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Good question... it seems that a single speaker jack was not well accepted by the TalkBass crowd in other products and was considered a necessary feature for some players.
 
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