Earl
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Yep, I don’t need the amp on that stage, I hear myself fine. So nice to play acoustic music!
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Double Bass Mic for live
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Yes, very nice to play acoustic music! But It depends by the drummer... (anyway, I'm curious to know what's your set up: strings, strings height...)
Earl
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7/8th Juzek, Superflexible solo E/A/D Innovation Braided G. Medium low string height.
Yeah. Getting a big, audible acoustic sound is all about touch. Bandmates who actually listen helps too.
I am a happy camper with my Full Circle for most work, then I have to do a Tango gig..and the whole pandora box opens up again..jezz.its impossible to use the FC with the arco work that Tango requires and it gets 100 times worse when its Tango fusion or Electro tango where is not acoustic anymore and monitors are as loud as a rock concert. There is no mic on earth (regardless of placement, dampening, HPF, EQ. pre-amp blend..) that can deal with that without feedback or souding horrible (on your ears at least)..maybe the Remic coudl do it...have yet to try that one.
Earl
Supporting Member
You can only play so loud:
The louder you need to play, the stronger the feedback loop. The stronger the feedback, the more it degrades your tone. Eventually the feedback loop will pump your strings so that certain ranges on the bass will ring indefinitely. Just above this level, the system breaks into uncontrollable feedback.
Corrective EQ can help some. Basically as the gain is increased the feedback loop excites resonances, which cause peaks in the frequency response. Mirror image dips can compensate and result in better tone and more gain before feedback.
There are certain things you can do to reduce the reduce loop. Avoid aiming your speaker directly into the bass's body. Dampen resonances. For example stuffing a rolled up towel or tennis bull between the tail piece and top plate. Tapping over or stuffing the F-holes with foam can also help. Choose and instrument that is optimized for amplification rather than acoustic work. Electric upright or perhaps a Blast Cult upright.
another example is using a magnetic pickup rather than a contact pickup. I suspect the best choice would be one of the high-end Yamaha silent basses. I have demoed a lot of EUBs and the Yamaha was the best emulation of a real double bass.
IME getting a high volume bow sound is even harder. Even a recording of double bass, which totally lacks a feedback loop, will sound awful at high SPL.
The louder you need to play, the stronger the feedback loop. The stronger the feedback, the more it degrades your tone. Eventually the feedback loop will pump your strings so that certain ranges on the bass will ring indefinitely. Just above this level, the system breaks into uncontrollable feedback.
Corrective EQ can help some. Basically as the gain is increased the feedback loop excites resonances, which cause peaks in the frequency response. Mirror image dips can compensate and result in better tone and more gain before feedback.
There are certain things you can do to reduce the reduce loop. Avoid aiming your speaker directly into the bass's body. Dampen resonances. For example stuffing a rolled up towel or tennis bull between the tail piece and top plate. Tapping over or stuffing the F-holes with foam can also help. Choose and instrument that is optimized for amplification rather than acoustic work. Electric upright or perhaps a Blast Cult upright.
another example is using a magnetic pickup rather than a contact pickup. I suspect the best choice would be one of the high-end Yamaha silent basses. I have demoed a lot of EUBs and the Yamaha was the best emulation of a real double bass.
IME getting a high volume bow sound is even harder. Even a recording of double bass, which totally lacks a feedback loop, will sound awful at high SPL.
Earl
Supporting Member
Orchestra and it is loose enough. You do have to be careful with the innovation strings, though, as the windings are not so robust. I have had a few unwind, and I’ve had a few rattling from loose windings.
I love my Remic 5400LB. For most gigs, I don’t need the pickup reinforcement. Only the loudest gigs need the pickup. It’s a great mic for my needs
