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MIJ v CIJ... and a prospective purchase

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by kangarupe, Jun 6, 2020.


  1. kangarupe

    kangarupe

    Dec 21, 2008
    Hey guys,

    In the process of tracking down a fender precision to purchase my friend has suggested he may be willing to part with his. He procured it from a friend who bought it in Japan. He’s an old friend and I trust him completely.

    It is in excellent condition based on the pictures. However, the serial would suggest that it is a 2012, but based on my limited research, a 2012 should list crafted in Japan, not made in Japan. I have offered $700 for it, which on my research seems to be a fair price, I’m not trying to low ball him. Can I get your thoughts? Should I be concerned if it’s genuine? I truly don’t think my friend wouldn’t knowingly screw me over. Looks legit to me! BE5CCB9E-44AC-46E0-AFA1-B237EADCB3E1.jpeg EE9ED4F5-F384-4DF1-8D45-2CBCD11EC7CA.jpeg 4BDCEF96-FA20-46CD-B932-1D85D23917C5.jpeg
     
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  2. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    It looks very legit to me. I would be into buying it at $575ish
     
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  3. dmt

    dmt

    Apr 19, 2003
    Orbiting Sol
    For what it’s worth, my 2013 MIJ Mustang bass is "Made In Japan", not crafted. Very nice instrument
     
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  4. kangarupe

    kangarupe

    Dec 21, 2008
    I couldn’t in good conscience offer 500-600 when I’ve seen (supposedly inferior) Mexicans listed at that. Perhaps they were listed too high though...
     
  5. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    You can get a USA with Graphite Rods for $700. Unless you are getting a JV serial MIJ, $700 is too much.
     
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  6. kangarupe

    kangarupe

    Dec 21, 2008
    I will take it under consideration, thank you sir!
     
  7. Maxdusty

    Maxdusty

    Mar 9, 2012
    Michigan USA
    Depends on where you live - the going rate for a used MIM where I live is around $350-400. A MIJ is around $600, a MIA is $700-800. I would say $600 for a MIJ depending on condition would be fair.
     
  8. kangarupe

    kangarupe

    Dec 21, 2008
    I would love to snag an MIA for 7-8 but I have yet to see that (NC, USA)
     
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  9. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
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  10. kangarupe

    kangarupe

    Dec 21, 2008
  11. FunkHead

    FunkHead Supporting Member

    Mar 10, 2007
    I've had a dozen MIJ's and they're okay. They also get way over-hyped here on Talkbass. I'll take that Hwy one over an MIJ and day of the week.
    Of course, I would build myself a Roadworn before doing that.
     
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  12. Maxdusty

    Maxdusty

    Mar 9, 2012
    Michigan USA
    There was a US P Bass for $749 obo that was in very good condition I had my eye on recently but disappeared. :( Same seller has a '96 US Jazz for $875 obo though.
    There's a Fender Aerodyne (CIJ) for $599...hmmm.
     
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  13. MMiller28

    MMiller28 Supporting Member

    Apr 27, 2003
    Wisconsin
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  14. Thegrandwazoo

    Thegrandwazoo Supporting Member

    Sep 8, 2013
    West Virginia
    Most Highway Ones are, they must have like a super-thin 'vintage' finish on them or something. I bet aside from the finish it's in excellent shape.
     
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  15. lug

    lug Supporting Member

    Feb 11, 2005
    League City, Tx
    From the wiki....

    "Made in Japan" and "Crafted in Japan"[edit]

    300px-FJmij.jpg
    MADE IN JAPAN serial number
    300px-Craftedinjapan.jpg
    Crafted in Japan serial number
    According to a Fender representative, it was stipulated in the Fender Japan contract that if there was a change of manufacturer from FujiGen Gakki to another guitar factory, the production inscription in the guitar would be changed from "Made in Japan" (MIJ) to "Crafted in Japan" (CIJ). Most of the Japanese-made Fenders up until 1996/1997 were MIJ Fenders.

    The first CIJ Fenders started around 1992, when Dyna Gakki took over some of the production requirements of Fender Japan. This resulted in the "Crafted in Japan" inscription appearing on some Japanese Fenders during this period. Dyna took over because FujiGen was expanding its own factory operations.

    CIJ was used entirely on Japanese Fenders produced from 1996/1997 until 2015, after Tōkai and Dyna took over the Fender Japan manufacturing contract. The Fender Squier range was also brought in line with the Japanese Fenders at around the same time (1996/1997), with the CIJ inscription being used.

    Timeline[edit]
    1982: Fender Japan starts production with FujiGen Gakki having the manufacturing contract. The "Made in Japan" (MIJ) logo is used.

    1984: CBS sells Fender to its current owners and while waiting for a new US factory to begin production, Fender Japan models and leftover US stock were mostly sold in the US for a few years.

    1993: The first "Crafted in Japan" (CIJ) models start appearing due to Dyna Gakki taking over some of the manufacturing while FujiGen Gakki were expanding their operations.

    1996/1997: "Crafted in Japan" (CIJ) is used instead of "Made in Japan" (MIJ) because Tōkai Gakki and Dyna Gakki take over the manufacturing contract from FujiGen Gakki.

    2015: Fender, Yamano and Kanda Shokai end the Fender Japan joint venture on March 31, 2015. Fender took over the Japanese business effective April 1, 2015.
     
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  16. Thegrandwazoo

    Thegrandwazoo Supporting Member

    Sep 8, 2013
    West Virginia
    I'd say $500-550 would be a fair price for that bass, $600 at the outside since it's your friend's. The truly great Japanese Fenders were the 80s E-serial ones (maybe others, but those for sure), the post-2000 ones are consistently better than any Mexican one but nowhere near a US one, which as stated before can often be had for around $700.
     
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  17. kangarupe

    kangarupe

    Dec 21, 2008
    Yeah, the wiki is where my initial trepidation comes from
     
  18. kangarupe

    kangarupe

    Dec 21, 2008
    that low huh? Surprising, thanks for the thoughts though
     
  19. Elusive1

    Elusive1

    Jun 21, 2018
    Singapore
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  20. Lobster11

    Lobster11 Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Apr 22, 2006
    Williamsburg, VA
    Keep in mind that the final sale price is often considerably less than the posted asking price.
     
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