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MLB 2022
- Thread starter Gaolee
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I'd bet lots on no. But I hope your optimism comes through for all of us!
I didn't realize there was a lockout. I went looking for some baseball news on this gloomy day in the PNW. That didn't go well for me.
This is really the wrong time for billionaires and millionaires to be arguing about money.
-Mike
This is really the wrong time for billionaires and millionaires to be arguing about money.
-Mike
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
Nothing unusual at this time. The CBA expired, and the owners did well last time. There is a lot of $$$ on the tables, and a lot of issues, including:
- expanding the playoffs, and per haps shinking the season to compensate
- how early to start arbitration and free agency
-changing luxury tax/salary cap, and perhaps a floor (tanking/rebuilding/teams content to suck, but be in the black)
- universal DH (minor issue)
Same issues as always, but more money at stake.
Unlike other sports, the owners don't open their books, nor are salary changes tied to how much money they make. Also, owners have gotten smarter. They no longer give big contracts to older players (think Pujols), and think of most younger players as interchangeable. Average career length is shrinking.
On the other hand, the union is protecting the big money, at the expense of younger players, minor leaguers.
I was just explaining to my son how when I was young, the money situation was very different. Players we're paid less, but I could see a game in NYC for $1.50.
I'm cautiously optimistic both sides are just phallus waving. Hopefully they remember that the last play interruption almost killed the sport. People have many other things to keep them occupied in the spring and summer, especially younger fans.
- expanding the playoffs, and per haps shinking the season to compensate
- how early to start arbitration and free agency
-changing luxury tax/salary cap, and perhaps a floor (tanking/rebuilding/teams content to suck, but be in the black)
- universal DH (minor issue)
Same issues as always, but more money at stake.
Unlike other sports, the owners don't open their books, nor are salary changes tied to how much money they make. Also, owners have gotten smarter. They no longer give big contracts to older players (think Pujols), and think of most younger players as interchangeable. Average career length is shrinking.
On the other hand, the union is protecting the big money, at the expense of younger players, minor leaguers.
I was just explaining to my son how when I was young, the money situation was very different. Players we're paid less, but I could see a game in NYC for $1.50.
I'm cautiously optimistic both sides are just phallus waving. Hopefully they remember that the last play interruption almost killed the sport. People have many other things to keep them occupied in the spring and summer, especially younger fans.
I really like the vintage showing socks.
Here's an informative 15 minute clip on the current lockout:
David Ortiz is the latest former Seattle Mariner to get the call to the hall.
-Mike
-Mike
The sides are talking again and might have made some peripheral progress. I still don't have high hopes for a timely start of spring training.
Yeah we were actually thinking of taking the Fingers girls to JetBlue for a few Spring Training games.
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
If you are going to spring training, unless you only want to see one specific team, Arizona is much better:
- two teams share each facility (each team's practice field is on one side of the game stadium, with easy access to watch all those fields
- almost every facility is within a 30-40 minute drive
Unlike Florida, the whole thing is set up for the fans.
- two teams share each facility (each team's practice field is on one side of the game stadium, with easy access to watch all those fields
- almost every facility is within a 30-40 minute drive
Unlike Florida, the whole thing is set up for the fans.
Yeah we're Red Sox fans. JetBlue is basically a mini-Fenway, complete with its own Green Monster. Plus we live on the East Coast so it's much easier to get to Florida.
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
You're talking to a big Met fan from Connecticut here. But ifyou ever want a very cool trip for a baseball fan, consider it.
Maybe when we're empty nesters a cactus league trip would be great. The Fingers girls love them some Sox, but having a beach nearby is the only thing that makes the trip "worth it" to them.
A game here, a beach trip there, a water park here, shopping there.... That's what our trip would look like....a couple games in three days and the rest of our time spent at a beach resort of some kind.
I don't know that I could sell the kids on a trip to the desert. Dr.Fingers and I would probably love the scenery out there.
That was a good video for historical background. Thanks for posting. I found this podcast to be interesting as I am subscriber to Andrew Brandt's (former GM of the Packers) newsletter and I find Andrew Zimbalist to be the best academic on the subject of the business of sports especially the economics of stadium construction. If you are short on time, I recommend the last two segment starting at 16:25. TL/DR - the sides are really not that far apart but, as in any negotiation, the negotiators need to bring home some kind of victory. Zimbalist thought that it would get done at the end of January which means they have this week. There has been some movement so I remain, as almost always, cautiously optimistic as there is far too much money to be made by both sides if they agree.
Two thoughts on some of the minor items:
Universal DH - I'm for it but I think more NL owners are for it than the video implies. If I was paying 20-30+M guaranteed per year to a guy to pitch, I don't want him to risk injury batting or running the basepaths.
Pitch clock - I'm for it, but I think more players are for it than the video implies. Anything that helps the game as a whole should be something that players endorse. Coming to an agreement on something that the FANS like is a no-brainer public relations move. Moreover, younger players have experienced a pitch clock in the minors so they are already on board.
Business of Sports: NFL Business Podcast: The MLB Lockout with Sports Econonist Andrew Zimbalist on Apple Podcasts
Two thoughts on some of the minor items:
Universal DH - I'm for it but I think more NL owners are for it than the video implies. If I was paying 20-30+M guaranteed per year to a guy to pitch, I don't want him to risk injury batting or running the basepaths.
Pitch clock - I'm for it, but I think more players are for it than the video implies. Anything that helps the game as a whole should be something that players endorse. Coming to an agreement on something that the FANS like is a no-brainer public relations move. Moreover, younger players have experienced a pitch clock in the minors so they are already on board.
Business of Sports: NFL Business Podcast: The MLB Lockout with Sports Econonist Andrew Zimbalist on Apple Podcasts
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buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
The universal DH is about two things for the owners - protecting their assets, and making re-alignment easier.
I'm not in favor of a pitch clock. It's a lot simpler. Unless a batter has a legitimate need, don't give them the time out after every pitch to step out.
Look at the videos of games from the 70s and earlier - the batter rarely stepped out of the box (and even if he did, it was just one foot). Things moved quicker, and there was better flow.
Even more extreme - go back to the 19th century rules - no such thing as an illegal quick pitch.
I'm not in favor of a pitch clock. It's a lot simpler. Unless a batter has a legitimate need, don't give them the time out after every pitch to step out.
Look at the videos of games from the 70s and earlier - the batter rarely stepped out of the box (and even if he did, it was just one foot). Things moved quicker, and there was better flow.
Even more extreme - go back to the 19th century rules - no such thing as an illegal quick pitch.
I'd like to cut down on the time it takes the pitchers to get the sign with men on base. Some kind of electronic setup maybe? I hate pitchers staring into their caps to figure out the sign sequence.
