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Mom & Pops > Guitar Center??

I generally stick with the net but I never limit myself to any one source however. I will say, I don't understand how Guitar Center sells guitars; their set-ups are generally horrid, and between the kid next to you with the amp volume on 10 and the PA system blasting metal, It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to do any type of critical listening to an instrument. They don't do themselves an favors. If their new corporate owners want to improve sales, they should start by addressing their playability and noise issues.

Thanks,

KT
 
I think the big thing is the Mom and Pop Shop owners generally have a "I'm better than you" kind of attitude. Almost like I should be thanking them for selling me something.

There's one shop that I only visit because the guy REALLY knows his stuff but he's such a douche I steer clear most of the time.


That's because we are all a bunch of failed musicians who think we are still on top of our game like it was 1977 ;)
 
In 9 cases out of 10 my local Mom and Pop Store will price match the advertised prices of GC and Musicians Friend....there are a few items they were NOT able to do that with (was a couple boutique bass pedal).....I don't mind paying taxes or a few extra bucks because they take care of me....I had the electronics on one of my basses go out and the lent me another one to use that night at a show while they were waiting on the parts to fix mine.....get that from a GC I dare ya.....

I always buy my picks, cables, patch cords etc.......from my local Mom and Pop store and wander in off the street once a week to see what they have in stock and BS....not to mention thay always have the skinny on local shows, and bands and what not.....no comparison IMHO between Mom and Pop stores and megastores like GC.....

The last time i was in GC looking at basses they had a guy that didn't even play manning the Bass alcove....he is a DJ on the side....

where as they guy at my local Mon and Pop store actually plays bass in a band and has been playing for 20+ years (Really likes to shove SWR down my throat...lol) but at least he knows his stuff...

My money stays local 90% of the time....

Also my local Mom and Pop actually had a better inventory that the Last GC i visited....(The GC had a couple of Fenders, Warwicks, a few Bongos and a few EBMM's, a few Gibsons, a couple Ibanez, and a couple of Peaveys....)

(My local Mom and Pop stores has, Ibanez, Godin, Fender, EBMM, Yamaha, Fender, Gibson, ESP, B.C. Rich, Dean, G&L, Peavey, Zon,)
 
That's because we are all a bunch of failed musicians who think we are still on top of our game like it was 1977 ;)
I'm sure you're not a douche.

at least not like this guy.

this guy is just the most knowledgeable in my area. there are many friendlier shops in chicagoland that I would choose over guitar center any day of the week.

I think a big problem is people not liking mom and pop type shops after visiting my douche's shop and not giving any of the others a chance. then they end up at ::gasp:: guitar center.
 
My favorite store for deals, knowlegable staff etc.in Tacoma,WA.

The owner has had the building paid off for years. He generally charges on-line prices in his store on the lines he carries. Ibanez, EBMM, ESP/LTD Ampeg, Marshall, Kustom. I've seen the catalogs for on-line stores out on the counter. He actively checks prices to make sure he can match them.

The down side is that he only carries what he can match prices on and still make money.

Customer service- they own customer service.

I go to GC to look around, but I buy at Sluggo's unless they don't have what I'm looking for.

I'll go to Ted Brown Music sometimes. Big store but locally owned. Less chaos and better staff than the Tacoma GC.
 
I didn't care much for the mom & pops places here in VB, but TB inspired me to give them another go, and I gotta say, my opinions on them have changed 180 degrees from 5 years ago. The customer service at both Moe's and Alpha really can't be beat.

I still go to GC. Mostly to pick up strings and straps and such, definitely not for the uneducated opinions of the people who work there.

Good to hear that Moe's is still around. That is actually where I picked up my Thumb 5 BO. I was going to get it from the defunct MARS music that resided on V.B. Blvd headed into Norfolk because I thought I could get a better price.

~~~~~Flashback~~~~~Summer 2000~~~~~~

I was ignored from the moment I went into MARS (basically GC). They didn't know that I could have dropped $3500 on gear (bought an SWR SM-500 the same day at Alpha).

When I talked to the sales guy at Moe's (may have been the owner) he sold me the bass at the price MARS was offering. He was probably happy to get it out the door since it had been sitting in his store for 2 years, but at the same time he made sure to reassure me that he had every intention of treating me better than at Wal-Mart (MARS).

~~~~~~~Return to present~~~~~~~~

I really didn't get to finish my thoughts before leaving for work in my previous post.

The fact of the matter is GC has the market cornered in this town, much to my dismay. Where does that money go? Sure some of it pays wages and creates make-work jobs, but for the most part it goes to finance the CEO's new yacht. Where's my beautiful wife? When profits are the bottom line customer service fails.

I like to go to a place where you are welcomed. At GC the front cashier is right next to the front door, and more often than not I have to initiate the interaction. That does not bode well with me.

The GC here fills a space in a relic outdoor mall right next to Outback Steakhouse (UGH) and Burlington Coat Factory (Double UGH). It is located on the main 4 lane either direction arterial that connects downtown to the burbs and to the towns north of here. Lots of traffic that I'm sure is good for them, but I hate traffic.

OTOH....the M&P's in my town are centered either in the downtown area where I prefer to spend my time or a small older commercial/residential district known as the Garland District (this district had a cameo in the movie Bennie and Joon...the scene where Depp's Character tried to get a job at a restaurant), another place that I'd prefer to spend my time. These places all have more character and they are way easier to get to; some are within walking distance. You just won't find those cookie-cutter commercial buildings in these areas.

For the most part at an M&P; I find that the price listed on the ticket is quite often not the price they hope to get. With a little bit of friendly haggling you can generally get what you are after for the same if not less than what the big boxes are selling. I've actually had a local place tell me that they can give me a better deal than what was listed on the price-tag.

One final note and thanks for bearing with me here.

The only complaint I have about the M&P's. They aren't open on Sundays!!!! There have been times where I've been in a pinch for strings, a new tuner, staff paper (no printer) and the only option was GC because everyone else was in church or something.
 
Who needs either with ebay and talkbass classifieds?

The last 5-6 bass, amp, cab or accessory purchase or trade has been here on TB or other online stores and classifieds. After shoppping at local stores, mom/pop, CG, etc, Ive made my best deals these last transactions.

Cept for my GB Neox 212T cab I got at Tx Music Emporium, north of Houston, walked in with cash on a Sunday at 4pm. They hooked me up with a great price, they said I made their day with that one sale on a Sunday just before closing, uh yeah that was my plan, but thanks just the same to my new sales buddy Chris. I walk in, he yells out whuz up ernie, makes you feel special that they recall your name. Then I got AMS to match that price when I bought my 2nd 212T cab online a couple weeks later, so that was cool

Couple weeks ago I ordered a T-shirt from The Perfect Bass. They emailed me offering me a CC refund or 2 shirts for the price of one cause the one I ordered was out of stock. So I got 2 very nice T shirts instead of one. And I love that they post all their prices online. That email us for a price gets old (Hi basscentral/bassnw) when your just window shopping but seeing the actual sale price might inspire me to buy on the spot. My next purchase of a gig bag will be at TPB soon and thinking about one of them Roscoe basses too. :D

Oh when I worked in Houston CBD years back in 1980's, we used to walk to H&H music store during our lunch hour to get our strings, sheet music, song books and salivate over the too expensive for me G&L basses. I bought a mint, sunburst w/matching headstock L2500 w/G&L OHSC last fall for a great price off a guy in Portland OR in bassgear.com, better late than never, point made.
 
In 9 cases out of 10 my local Mom and Pop Store will price match the advertised prices of GC and Musicians Friend...

Also my local Mom and Pop actually had a better inventory that the Last GC i visited....(The GC had a couple of Fenders, Warwicks, a few Bongos and a few EBMM's, a few Gibsons, a couple Ibanez, and a couple of Peaveys....)

(My local Mom and Pop stores has, Ibanez, Godin, Fender, EBMM, Yamaha, Fender, Gibson, ESP, B.C. Rich, Dean, G&L, Peavey, Zon,)
Sounds like you've got the place to go. Where in TX is this magical place located?

I'm in Texas too. Don't get up to Dallas often, but I used to do the tour of all the music shops in Houston every weekend.

I think it was Rickenboogie who said "We need a music scene first". If you've got a good scene, I think the locals will do a lot more to support it. The attitude among the shoppers will improve, and I think that will affect the experience at the shops. When I lived in Colorado, we were part of a small but lively punk scene in the middle of a hippie/jam scene (every band would call themselves "jazz/fusion" and then sound exactly like Phish), and the local music store was really cool about the fact that we were getting something new going. They gave us discounts on rental PA gear, and I ended up buying my guitar cab there. So if the scene is happening, the local shops will get into the groove.
 
I live in New York City, where there are tons of iconic guitar stores. I find myself traveling to Staten Island to Castellano's music to buy gear there. I grew up in the area and the entire staff knows me by name. I'll walk in there to hang out and just talk music with them. They know what I need, and what I want from my gear.

They give me a deal without me even asking, and toss in free strings and other goodies with your new bass. That might not seem like a lot, but it is when your strings retail for $40, and you get a nice strap to go with it.

They even order me strings, even though hardly anyone else uses my brand. They also give me a ring when they have a bass I might like.

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Now Guitar Center. I had $2200 cash in my pocket, and I was going to buy a new (old) bass, which was a Gibson EB-2 it pretty darn good shape. Failing that, I'd get something else vintage in a similar price range.

I was ignored.

I walked up to a sales associate and asked to try it, he told me to hold on a minute, he was helping another customer. OK, thats cool. So I'm waiting, and I see him just staring at some dude playing a strat. I wait 10 minutes, waiting for the guy to be done. So then, afterwards they end up trying about 6 different strats in the store. It was pushing the half hour mark now, and I was getting really annoyed, because its only so long you can walk around the vintage department without getting bored. I walk back, "listen man, I really wanna try that Gibson and I'm probably gonna buy it. Could you get it while that guy you're helping is playing?"

After rolling his eyes he tells me "I told you I'm helping someone, you're just going to have to wait." He probably didn't believe an 18 year old kid was going to buy it.:spit:

Another time, during christmas, I walked in there and was noodling around. The guy asked me if I was going to buy a $1000 P-bass. I said "maybe, I don't have the money on me right now" so he takes the bass away from me. :spit:
 
I live in Tarrant County and shop at the GC in north Arlington 99% of the time. I've learned that you do have to ask for help, and I've managed to find one guy to deal with (Mike) who has been totally helpful to me whenever I've come in. He has helped me order lots of gear that normally isn't in stock, and always made follow up calls to make sure I knew it was coming.

That said, I'd be happy to hit more of the M&P's in the area, but the few I've been able to find just have lousy selection.

One plug: the guys at Earhart Electronics in FW have been great, best electronics repair you'll ever find, and very reasonable. Decent selection of new and used stuff, very helpful. Ask for Alan Davis - in fact, he did a setup on my bass for free while I was waiting to pick up an amp that needed some tweaking.

It is a tough business - I'm sure it is tough to compete against a giant who can buy product and advertising in volume, and really only makes money selling in volume, all while securing highly visible locations. Throw in the fact that the retail business is shaky right now (and has always been a tough business), and it's gotta be hard for the independent guy to survive.

The key for a M&P is to come along and DIFFERENTIATE themselves. Is there enough of a market in DFW for a "specialty" store? Do one thing, and do it better than anyone else! We're starting to see many "bass only" shops crop up in key locations around the country in places like Atlanta, Phoenix, LA and Austin. Great! And I'll bet a big percentage of their business is online as well, which supplements their business even more. I'd certainly drive all the way to Dallas if I knew there was a bass boutique who had the best gear, knowledgable staff, specialized knowledge of bass setups, electronics, etc. to help me achieve my dream sound.

Jim
 
I'm really surprised that so many people who shop at guitar center claim that got a good deal. When I read most peoples claims, the figure works out to about 10-20%. No one sells at list price... Please stop claiming you got "hooked up" because you got a $2000 list price bass for $1800. For me, we need to be talking 40% off list before I consider buying. Different schools of thought I suppose.
 
I'm sure you're not a douche.

at least not like this guy.

this guy is just the most knowledgeable in my area. there are many friendlier shops in chicagoland that I would choose over guitar center any day of the week.

I think a big problem is people not liking mom and pop type shops after visiting my douche's shop and not giving any of the others a chance. then they end up at ::gasp:: guitar center.

Thanks, I try not to be.. I have to be honest though, with certain customers, It gets really hard not to be a jerk (especially if they come into my store, insulting everything, copping an attitude, and THEN asking for a discount..... little hint to my fellow TB'ers: If you want a discount, please ask nicely and don't demand anything).
We had one guy in my area that just astounded me on a weekly basis with his business practices. I think the only reason he stayed in business was he has a pretty decent selection of vintage gear (probibly cause he couldn't sell the stuff for the prices he was asking). Here's one story. My guitar player goes into the shop looking for a nice 70's strat. He's the type of guy that will not hesitate to drop the $$ if the piece is right. He walks into this guy's shop and spots a nice '78 strat that he falls in love with. He asks the guy if he could play the guitar. The guy behind the counter looks at him and says "Are you going to buy it?" My guitar player looks the guy dead in the eye and says"Yeah, I probibly will. I just want to try it to make sure there are no issues and that the neck feels alright. If it feels good, I'm buying it." The store owner looks at him for a couple seconds and just says "NO" and walks away! :confused:
 
The GC here in really south jersey (Cape May) is almost 60 miles up the road. Fairly knowledgeable staff but pushy. For most stuff I go local, a store only 11 miles from my house; good service, they're willing to work with me, explain stuff I'm not sure on, make special orders when I want something they don't stock, and so on. I've picked up a few things from GC, and sometimes try out gear, but I check with them when I'm up in Mays Landing going to several places at the same time; otherwise it's the local M&P. Guess it depends on who's in the local store--I'm lucky that the folks working at the one here in Cape May are good folk; if they weren't so nice I'd be going to GC instead...
 
there is a place a few miles from my house called ATLANTA MUSIC BROKERS. small place and not a lot of bass stuff. however, i like the staff, they can get anything you need and they are small enough so that if you need help, someone will always be there. i hat going to gc. the only reason i used to go there was because the repair guy is the only person i trust to repair my vintage da basses. i walked in one time to get my 71 fretless plexi worked on, the kid at the counter not only manhandled the bass, he took it over to an amp and plugged it it to "test it out".....***!!!! :scowl:when i complained to the mgt, who are as useless as anything i just got the blank stare and he said, "whats the big deal?.". i freakin hate gc.:scowl::atoz::eyebrow::rollno::(
 
last time I went bass shopping I was very disappointed. About a month ago I went to five of our local stores. 1st store had one bright orange yamaha, one Squier and that was it! 2nd store had 5 basses all priced over $1800 and 4 were Tobias, the other was a used Gibson LP. 3rd had all Fender. 4th had 2 Peaveys and the rest Fender. 5th had all 5 and 6 strings except for one Ibanez and (hold your breathe) Fender.

I had a grand in my pocket and came back to my trusty ole' computer and ordered basses off the internet.

Sad
 
Shopping out here, in the suburbs of Chicago, is frustrating at best. Guitar shops in the general area are few and far between. Surprising for "The city of Blues." Ordering online has proven more satisfying, but if I do have to go to a store, here's how I do it....(in order of appearence)

First, Guitar Center - 2.2 miles
I find GC to be very "in your face". They're big on customer service, which I like, but they're not very big on a versatile knowledge of the instruments. It's like they hire every drummer, guitarist and PA guy in Cook County, yet only one of them knows a little about basses. On top of that, they never have what I'm looking for in stock......but they can order it!! I usually go here for strings only...

Next, Sam Ash - 7.8 miles
Pretty much just like GC, but in reverse. They have more knowledge on everything in the store, but they're not eager to help you. It feels like I have to walk-in, figure out the labirynth that is this store, find what I need, then solve the puzzle again, to ask a question. Luckily I know one of the managers...which helps. Still not big on stock.

Then, Dundee Guitar Shop - 18 miles
This is the nearest, smallest shop to me. They're big on giving lessons to locals, and small on everythingelse. I was in there 2 weeks ago, and I'm still waiting for a call back about a pickguard....that I've already bought. Seems to be purely family owned, and they just kind of exist there more than work.

Lastly, FAT CAT - 25 miles
This place is the middle ground between all of the above. It's small, but very nice, and very professional. I wouldn't go as far to call it "mom and pop" yet they're not a corporate monster either. Now, they greet you when they come in the door, which tells me they're good with customer service, although that seems to be where the service ends. If you have a repair, and the luthier is on a smoke break, you'll just have to wait, but to my understanding, it's worth the wait because he's damn good! They don't stock a lot of parts, but they do stock some bad ass guitars.

In conclusion....I'd rather order online....
 
Keep in mind that GC is now owned by a "private equity firm" called Bain Capital, started by Mit Romney. They specialize, as do all "private equity firms", in buying companies that are "on the ropes", then slashing all employees who have been there for any length of time, replacing them (if they replace them at all) with people of the lowest pay grade possible, then they strip the company of its assets, sell them off, run the company for a year or two understaffed and with low inventory, then show a huge profit, and sell to some other company for yet another huge profit.

Anyone else notice the decline in inventory and product choices at GC lately? Not much boutique-type stuff anymore. Used to be, I'd go into GC as a young man and get wowed by the newest, latest, most expensive gear available. Now I usually see a lot of Behringer amps, some MarkBass (which is good stuff), and for basses there are a few low-end Wicks, some Fender, and a couple MusicMans. Oh, and lots of low-end Ibanez. Almost all beginner stuff, and virtually no used gear anymore...

I've been through the whole buyout ordeal twice now. It's not real fun getting leaned on to produce more profits while doing the job of three or more people anyway...
 
I feel the same way as this thread. Other than a local place called "The Guitar Czar", all the mom and pop places in the entire city are a total joke. Selections, prices, and service is way out of control, I have yet to meet an owner that isn't a jerk.

The GC here practically owns this market, and rightly so, they have a huge selection, and are usually easy to deal with.

don't forget house of guitars, they feature the best amp guy in the state. and i have to argue that the GC here has no selection whatsoever compared to larger market stores. they figure that no one plays music in utah other than singin in that big choir so they don't send half the stuff our way. (ironic that the bane co.-new owners of GC- is owned by Mitt Romney...)