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Multi FX- Next Gen..

#3
Take a look at Ampeg SVX
Although not hardware, I do expect hardware based systems at this level of modeling.

POD, V-bass, Boss may already be "identical" to most ears. Double blind testing would prove it. Even with blind testing not everyone would agree, the analogue equivalents are not identical from unit to unit and can vary their sound over time. So individual comparisons may be different. I'm sure the digital versions would allow tweaking to account for this, but I expect that some just wouldn't bother when comparing the units.

From an audience standpoint it's only a small fraction that would care if it's not identical to the original, just that it suggests the sound of the style/artist intended.

As far as UI. I hope they all have a Midi interface and take midi knob controllers.
 
#4
freddy bloggs said:
Anyone know about upcoming new products & will they ever get it right?
i.e. A single multifx that everyone agrees all the emulations sound like the real thing.
cheers.
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Look at V-drums. Indistinguishable to almost anyone, still drummers are about 50-50. There will be several that will "get it right" years before most will agree they have.
 
#5
nad said:
I don't care how great they sound because of one simple truth:

knobs > menus
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+1 for sure.

And re: MIDI, as useful as MIDI can be, I've always hated the 128 step increments, and the limited bandwidth. I'll choose a "primitive" device that has no stepping and no bottlenecks pretty much any day.
 
#6
If everyone is willing to pay for knobs, manufacturers would add them. I care more for presets.

If MIDI were part of the UI, MIDI does run over high speed connections such as USB, Firewire, Ethernet, wireless... And most parameters I've seen that need more than 128 steps (like for tuning) there's a coarse/fine breakout.
 
#7
I could replace my whole pedal board with a multi FX board, but to get the same level of flexibility it would need to have about 50 knobs, a dozen buttons, two exp pedals and around 20 footswitches on it!!!

While someone might pay for that level of complexity, it won't be me!

will they ever get it right?
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The responses so far should tell you that, no, they won't.
Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.

Personally, even if they could increase the instantaneous tweakability of multi effects, they just never ever sound as good as the real thing. My Zoom B2.1u is very tweakable and it sounds great for what it is. But three rotary encoders and a exp pedal just doesn't make up for what it lacks.
 
#10
Yeah, yeah, w/e...

You know perfectly well he meant "a physical circuit" vs. "a software emulation of that physical circuit".

Granted, the line between digi and "analog" can be very blurry, and there are things only possible in the software realm... but quoting the dictionary in this case is just trolling.
 
#14
I have an admission to make:










































I've been thinking about going to individual effects again :hiding:

Not for while, but still thinking about it. Emulations OK, but just doesn't give the same feeling as having a 4x10/1x15 stack I imagine. With the 3 presets that I've got for the POD I could get a really good amp, an FX25 for dub, and a dark OD (maybe a Sparkle Drive again...) and be quite happy. :eek:

Mute point though cus I have no room for a big stack, so the POD will have to do. It's a great practice amp in any case ;)

Emulations great for recording, or if you have an excessive signal chain (syciprider...).
 
#16
Bobb said:
I like the idea of analog multifx...basically pedals in a permanent loooper or something...
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Check out the Ibanez UE series (UE400, UE405, UE303, UE303B, UE300, etc.); also Boss, DOD, Pearl, Korg, and a few other brands jumped on the bandwagon in the late 80's. I still think some of those units are very cool.
 
#17
I previously owned a Boss ME-50B, I bought it to find out what I wanted from an effects point of view, it gave me a chance to experiment with just about every effect on the market and not put myself in debt for life. Now that I know what I want, I am looking to buy a Boss Bass Equalizer, Distortion, Flanger and Bass Chorus because thats all I want, not 33 preset effects that don't have the flexibility and independent control such as individual pedals have.
Flicking between FX to get the right one on an FX board is a pain in the arse anyway, I want to be able to flick through whilst playing and not run have to hear Saw Lead while getting from Distortion to Chorus.
Don't get me wrong, FX boards are great for people that don't really know what they are looking for or that want to experiment with combined FX but nothing compares to having the real deal with no crap you don't want.
 
#18
g_len89 said:
I previously owned a Boss ME-50B, I bought it to find out what I wanted from an effects point of view, it gave me a chance to experiment with just about every effect on the market and not put myself in debt for life. Now that I know what I want, I am looking to buy a Boss Bass Equalizer, Distortion, Flanger and Bass Chorus because thats all I want, not 33 preset effects that don't have the flexibility and independent control such as individual pedals have.
Flicking between FX to get the right one on an FX board is a pain in the arse anyway, I want to be able to flick through whilst playing and not run have to hear Saw Lead while getting from Distortion to Chorus.
Don't get me wrong, FX boards are great for people that don't really know what they are looking for or that want to experiment with combined FX but nothing compares to having the real deal with no crap you don't want.
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I guess I would go along with this also. I currently have a zoom BFX708II which for when I first bought my bass, did what I wanted it to (tuner, headphones, cd in, effect to try).
I play through a PA with a harke head and 4x10 cab for my monitor (overkill???) I still am not sure what I want for effects yet so I am looking at a Korg AX3000B as they are now $200 on line. I am betting that will last a while until I get to the point where I A. tell the difference between the multi effects, and stomps, and B. can afford to pay individual ones, which from some of the threads here, I am already GASing for a Hematoma :D
 
#19
Thanks for the responces. I also was thinking that the new svx software (which sounds killer to me) will hopefully mean that stompbox sound quality should improove sooon for bass fx.
Then again if they nailed perfect emulation via a stompbox then why would anyone buy the real thing?!
i.e. "Effectively" shooting themselves in the foot ;-)
I think it eventually has to happen coz other companies will steal the technology & put out there own versions etc. I just like the convenience of multifx.
cheers
 

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