Seems pretty much even stevens with Thomann.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/cat_rank.html?ar=481497&gk=GIEBMS
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Multi-Scale
- Thread starter Fred from Peavey
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https://www.thomann.de/gb/cat_rank.html?ar=481497&gk=GIEBMS
34” to 35” makes a difference on the B
35” to 37” makes a huge difference on the B
Look at the combustion series. It’s the best selling multi scale there is. Sheldon chose the longer scale for a production bass for a reason. He will hopefully come back to make a production super as has been discussed but ultimately the combustion took the bass world by storm.
With that the Spector dimension was about to be its Next runner up except they botched output on the B string with pick up placement. And that is with a neck that reaches for the stars. It really doesn’t appear to have any reach reducing ergonomics.
the main reason the combustion doesn’t have a real contender is because no company (except Spector) has take the multi scale seriously enough to commit to its benefits.
Anyone is seriously after the true benefits of the multi scale is going to request a longer B… otherwise, why bother? FWIW I currently have 2 Dingwall super series(owned more) and love them. Would I say they jump ahead of the the Jazz/Precision pack of boutique builders because of the multi scale. Not at all…. They are just amazing quality builds.
Do my long scales differentiate themselves from other boutique builders? Absolutely they do. No matter how good a bass is, without that 37” B it doesn’t hold a candle to THAT B. That’s why it exists and has become MASSIVELY popular.
So, ultimately, if your not interested in THAT B, why even bother with the multi scale as you’ve missed the mark?
Repeatedly stating it as though it is a universally accepted fact doesn't make it so. I don't agree, nor do many other experienced bassists who post here.
Interesting, and surprising to me. However, that's ranking, not actual and total numbers, and as it says at the top of the page you linked "The rank refers to the daily sales, taking into account availability."
I know from one large dealer here that the Ibanezes have been impossible to get so it may or may not skew the numbers as people buy something else. I dunno in terms of fact, but it's a possibility. In terms of simple brand recognition amongst musos not on the forums etc, I bet Dingwalls are a large unknown to most.
lol. Ok. So your gonna argue the science behind it?
I’m not saying all instruments are built the same and that one 34” B is better then another because I’ve definitely experienced that from bass to bass.
but are you legit saying scale length makes no difference in the articulation and clarity of a string?
do you believe the world is flat as well?
Yeah bro…. The combustion just reached its 10 yr anniversary a couple years back. The combustion put them on the global map and massively increased their exposure. Before that they were minimally known as a boutique builder with little media coverage. Look at the damage done in 10 yrs. So much so every mainstream builder is following suite….
ibanez has been in the spot light for what 40+yrs?
I don’t think your looking at this with an open mind
Which bass, which construction and which implementation? I'd much rather have a Status S3 or Streamline than a BO FSO as the former is far more rigid a structure and is therefore far more likely to have a stronger fundamental and upper harmonic content as there is considerably less of the string energy lost into the structure. Or do you want to argue that engineering?
Really? A strawman is the best you can come up with? Sad.
Actually, I am. I'm not looking at it through the narrow lens of a fanboi, but in terms of what is going to sell in the global marketplace through a ton of varying factors. Because Dingwall is well known in the narrow world of forums, doesn't mean it is in the general community. Any more than say twitter represents the real world in terms of politics or culture.
And if you have a Status S3 at 34", and a Status S3 at 35", the 35" B string will speak better. Simple as that. You can't compare apples to oranges, but, having talked with you a number of times over the years, you very rarely debate or discuss things in an honest and faithful manner.
Lol. Ok buddy, if your not interested in the pros of multi scale then why are you even here?
of course the rest of the instrument construction comes into play. FWIW my 2 fav basses are my NS5XL and my long scale Dingwalls. 2 very different beasts.
And again, I’ll reiterate, the 35” B doesn’t come close to the clarity and articulation of the 37”.
I’ll stop there though. I am definitely beginning to see a circular pattern in this convo and instead of entertaining you perhaps you can just go back and reread it a couple of times vs just get hostile at someone who has a pretty fair amount of experience on the topic to share.
you are correct on the fact that I am a fanboi. A fan of good construction, quality, engineering and sound. That doesn’t make me a brand loyalist though just to be clear. I don’t actually care who’s logo is on what as long as it meets my requirements.
But there isn't a Status at 35", so as for integrity of discussion, get a mirror. I spoke about what I would, and have preferred in terms of what is available to put in my hands and play. If Rob thought there was a demand for a 35" Status and that it improved performance, I'm sure he would have made one by now
I'd say that's a safe bet.
The thoughts and opinions given on TB hardly reflect the bass playing world at large , probably not even the majority of players 50+ years and living in the West
An example.
Most TB mentions of the humble Peavey Milestone III tag it as an entry level instrument made from ply. In the real world I know 3 pro players in Ghana ply their trade on the humble Milestone III
Your projection. I'm just discussing things as I see them, based upon my experience and engineering knowledge. Note that you're the one that needed to resort to ad hom type strawmen to try to make a point.
Lol. I guess the 2 of you must be right then.
im curious what your hands on experiences are with the available multi scale instruments. It sounds like you’ve got your finger on the pulse of music and you must have ample opportunity to try all the latest and greatest so perhaps we should all defer to your wisdom.
In terms of brand recognition to the average non forum dwelling punter, yes, absolutely Ibanez will by far have the better brand recognition and will be far more likely get the sale to many interested in a MS. If you can't accept that then you are too far down the well of fanboi-ism.
I just admitted and actually pointed that out to you…..
of course they will…
even if they are offering an inferior product…
I don’t think we are debating that are we?
I’m pretty certain we were discussing scale length.
so back to that, Unfortunately, not to many brands have harnessed the effectiveness of a 37” B in there implementation of MS and with that it’s clearly obvious that “some” may never fully understand that the 37” B has a very different clarity and articulation and has a solid impact on the sound of the string.
full circle now. Good luck to you
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