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Music Man sound and pickups

those Alpha 1M reverse pots are available at Tayda for 89 cents. they sell better quality ones at G&L website for $5.95. they used the same schematic that's been floating around for years. looks like they used a Nichicon poly film .047uf cap and tants for the coupling caps. the sound quality might be on point but it's not worth $102 when you can get better quality for the same price
 
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Yeah, I have yet to play anything Aguilar that didn't sound amazing, which makes their MM pickup tempting even though I've not tried it and there aren't too many samples or reviews out there yet. These guys just make great things for bass, period.
I finally bought the MM Aguilar pickup. That's the last major MM pickup I had not tried. I'll post my impressions once I've had a chance to test it.
I have also bought a PJ pickup and an OPB-1 2 band preamp for a passive active PJ build. I'm becoming an Aguilar fan because their pickups are so good.
Their P hot pickup is really bassy, I love the tone but thought it was a bit extreme until I build a bass which was a bit bass shy due to its light weight and control cavity. The Aguilar Hot P corrected this an is an amazing match to this bass. Anyways, I digress.
 
I finally bought the MM Aguilar pickup. That's the last major MM pickup I had not tried. I'll post my impressions once I've had a chance to test it.
I have also bought a PJ pickup and an OPB-1 2 band preamp for a passive active PJ build. I'm becoming an Aguilar fan because their pickups are so good.
Their P hot pickup is really bassy, I love the tone but thought it was a bit extreme until I build a bass which was a bit bass shy due to its light weight and control cavity. The Aguilar Hot P corrected this an is an amazing match to this bass. Anyways, I digress.

Would love to hear the MM Aguilar pickup in action. I was thinking of buying a replacement pickup for my '04 SR4.
 
Would love to hear the MM Aguilar pickup in action. I was thinking of buying a replacement pickup for my '04 SR4.

Well don't count on me to do a video or demo. I don't work for Aguilar and bought my pickup. Aguilar has a terrific video on their site doing just that and the cat playing bass will over play me any day. I also don't think videos can capture what a pickup delivers.

I tested the Aguilar with a SVT-CL, a Markbass F500, an Ashdown Little Bastard. Speaker wise, I used a Berg NV610 and a Markbass NY151.

This the Aguilar Musicman is a fabulous pickup. I had been using the Seymour Duncan Alnico for a couple of years and found it to be the very best of what I had tested at the time: Seymour Duncan Alnico, Seymour Duncan Ceramic and Nordstrand. My Stringray classic four strings natural (one piece body made of ash and a neck that's a single piece of flamed maple) came with pickups that did not entirely satisfy me.

So the Aguilar AG 4M was super easy to install, only two wires. The body of the pickups perfectly fits in my Stingray. The back of the pickup looks as good as the front, it's very clean and looks bullet proof. The tone of this pickup is very reminiscent of the Aguilar tone. Throughout their gear and different pickups, these guys have a very clear idea of what they like tonally and the consistency is remarkable.

If you don't hear the bass world as they do, chances are you not going to like what they do but if you subscribe to their tonal preferences, you will probably love all their gear. I get the impression they are great musicians with great ears and they take their time to create products which are more driven by their passion than the need to put out a product to make money. Every company has a balance of art and industry, but these guys seem to make sure the art part delivers before looking at anything else.

I have two additional p bass pickups from Aguilar, the AG-4P60 and AG 4P hot. All the pickups, including the AG-4M are balanced, warm, woolly, vintage sounding with musical highs. The AG 4P hot is its own thing but despite its massive bass and hot output it still fits that general description.

Back to the Aguilar AG 4M. The pickup delivers perfect string to string balance and is capable of a really wide range of tones. I love the fact that it did allow the tone of the instrument to really shine through. The woolly, warm, vintage character delivers and it also captures the essence of some of the vintage Stingrays I played in the past. The highs are present but they're not aggressive or glassy. They could be described as a touch muted if I wanted to nitpick it. A pickup rarely excel in all frequencies and this one has that huge bottom and articulated mids. It really sounds huge and seems to pack more tone than any other pickups I have tested. Compared with the Seymour Duncan Alnico it's bigger and warmer sounding, it delivers a little bit of grind in the mid bass that is just gorgeous. I found myself pounding the E string just for the joy of it. The SD Alnico has better highs and mid highs but it's not as big and warm sounding.

Ultimately a pickup has to work with the bass holding it; we assume that all pickups match all basses but it's not the case, some marriages are happier than other. A pickup also has to work with the rest of the sonic chain (amps, cabs, pedals...) and please the musicians' ear.

In summary:

If you're looking for a hard hitting, dynamic, cut through the mix, high velocity/response pickup the Seymour Duncan Ceramic would be my choice. Nice to have if you have to compete in a busy mix and if you slap a lot.

If you require a lot of highs and glass in your tone with an airy transparency the Seymour Duncan Alnico does this really well and it still delivers a very nice balanced overall tone. This pickup is also very nice if you are on a budget.

If you like a big warm, vintage tone with massive bass, the Aguilar is the best at delivering this. The range of this pickup is exceptional and it responds to tone adjustment really well. This pickup will perform in most situations. It's my new favorite pickup and I suspect it will stay in my Stingray for a long time. It's more expensive than the Seymour Duncan pups but it delivers more tone and more of that boutique tone. I hear the same difference between the Aguilar and the SD that I would hear between the SD Antiquities series of pickups and the SD SPB series.

The Nordstrand did not do it at all for me, I found the pickup to be a little strange sounding and string to string balance was not there. I do realize that some Stingrays have that very tone. When Ernie Ball took over the brand they reported variations amongst the existing pickup stock by 50%, meaning no pickups sounded the same and there were some huge discrepancies in tone. Likewise I did not care for Nordstrand P pickup despite legions of fans on Talkbass.

I hope this round up helps Stingray owners get a sense of what each pickup delivers and what the options are.
 
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Well don't count on me to do a video or demo. I don't work for Aguilar and bought my pickup. Aguilar has a terrific video on their site doing just that and the cat playing bass will over play me any day. I also don't think videos can capture what a pickup delivers.

I tested the Aguilar with a SVT-CL, a Markbass F500, an Ashdown Little Bastard. Speaker wise, I used a Berg NV610 and a Markbass NY151.

This the Aguilar Musicman is a fabulous pickup. I had been using the Seymour Duncan Alnico for a couple of years and found it to be the very best of what I had tested at the time: Seymour Duncan Alnico, Seymour Duncan Ceramic and Nordstrand. My Stringray classic four strings natural (one piece body made of ash and a neck that's a single piece of flamed maple) came with pickups that did not entirely satisfy me.

So the Aguilar AG 4M was super easy to install, only two wires. The body of the pickups perfectly fits in my Stingray. The back of the pickup looks as good as the front, it's very clean and looks bullet proof. The tone of this pickup is very reminiscent of the Aguilar tone. Throughout their gear and different pickups, these guys have a very clear idea of what they like tonally and the consistency is remarkable.

If you don't hear the bass world as they do, chances are you not going to like what they do but if you subscribe to their tonal preferences, you will probably love all their gear. I get the impression they are great musicians with great ears and they take their time to create products which are more driven by their passion than the need to put out a product to make money. Every company has a balance of art and industry, but these guys seem to make sure the art part delivers before looking at anything else.

I have two additional p bass pickups from Aguilar, the AG-4P60 and AG 4P hot. All the pickups, including the AG-4M are balanced, warm, woolly, vintage sounding with musical highs. The AG 4P hot is its own thing but despite its massive bass and hot output it still fits that general description.

Back to the Aguilar AG 4M. The pickup delivers perfect string to string balance and is capable of a really wide range of tones. I love the fact that it did allow the tone of the instrument to really shine through. The woolly, warm, vintage character delivers and it also captures the essence of some of the vintage Stingrays I played in the past. The highs are present but they're not aggressive or glassy. They could be described as a touch muted if I wanted to nitpick it. A pickup rarely excel in all frequencies and this one has that huge bottom and articulated mids. It really sounds huge and seems to pack more tone than any other pickups I have tested. Compared with the Seymour Duncan Alnico it's bigger and warmer sounding, it delivers a little bit of grind in the mid bass that is just gorgeous. I found myself pounding the E string just for the joy of it. The SD Alnico has better highs and mid highs but it's not as big and warm sounding.

Ultimately a pickup has to work with the bass holding it; we assume that all pickups match all basses but it's not the case, some marriages are happier than other. A pickup also has to work with the rest of the sonic chain (amps, cabs, pedals...) and please the musicians' ear.

In summary:

If you're looking for a hard hitting, dynamic, cut through the mix, high velocity/response pickup the Seymour Duncan Ceramic would be my choice. Nice to have if you have to compete in a busy mix and if you slap a lot.

If you require a lot of highs and glass in your tone with an airy transparency the Seymour Duncan Alnico does this really well and it still delivers a very nice balanced overall tone. This pickup is also very nice if you are on a budget.

If you like a big warm tone with massive bass, the Aguilar is the best at delivering this. The range of this pickup is exceptional and it responds to tone adjustment really well. It's my new favorite pickup and I suspect it will stay in my Stingray for a long time. It's more expensive than the Seymour Duncan pups but it delivers more tone and more of that boutique tone. I hear the same difference between the Aguilar and the SD that I would hear between the SD Antiquities series of pickups and the SD SPB series.

The Nordstrand did not do it at all for me, I found the pickup to be a little strange sounding and string to string balance was not there. I do realize that some Stingrays have that very tone. When Ernie Ball took over the brand they reported variations amongst the existing pickup stock by 50%, meaning no pickups sounded the same and there were some huge discrepancies in tone. Likewise I did not care for their P pickup despite legions of fans on Talkbass.

I hope this round up helps Stingray owners get a sense of what each pickup delivers and what the options are.

Thanks for your response. One last question. Would you suggest changing out my preamp as well? I'v heard people say yes and no depending on the pup. Sorry I'm not too knowledgeable in this field.
 
Thanks for your response. One last question. Would you suggest changing out my preamp as well? I'v heard people say yes and no depending on the pup. Sorry I'm not too knowledgeable in this field.

I don't have any experience with pre-amps so I can't help. I don't find anything wrong with the pre-amp in my Stingray classic except it is a bit noisy in extreme settings. I have an Aguilar OPB-1 on the way to build an PJ active passive bass. There are guys and galls on Talkbass who have cycled through a bunch of preamps and who are much more qualified to answer this question.

I would recommend however that you do one change at a time. Changing your pickups first then looking into preamps afterwards. Don't exclude the possibility you might have to cycle through several pickups to find the one that really fits your bass and your ear. Keep an eye on the classified, with a bit of patience pickups always surface up.
 
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Hi, like to know from anyone your experience with MM PU (by EBMM or other manufacturers) with regards to humbucking effectiveness. I recently purchased a pair of 5-string split coil PU, with the understanding then that the split coils within each PU casing act as a humbucker. To my disappointment, the PU do act as humbuckers, but only partially. The reason being for odd number of strings, the coil split can only be in a 3+2 config. Since the 2 windings are unequal in length, they form an imperfect humbucker by design. By the same theory, a 4-string or 6-string split coil PU would be near perfect humbuckers (since it is impossible to produce a matched/identical pair of PU from a manufacturing standpoint).

Back to MM PU - since it has 2 equal length coils per PU casing regardless of number of strings, it should also be a near perfect humbuckers when toggled to series or parallel mode. Would like to know if this is your experience under strong stage lighting/dimmer lighting condition.

Thanks in advance for sharing.
 
I don't have any experience with pre-amps so I can't help. I don't find anything wrong with the pre-amp in my Stingray classic except it is a bit noisy in extreme settings. I have an Aguilar OPB-1 on the way to build an PJ active passive bass. There are guys and galls on Talkbass who have cycled through a bunch of preamps and who are much more qualified to answer this question.

I would recommend however that you do one change at a time. Changing your pickups first then looking into preamps afterwards. Don't exclude the possibility you might have to cycle through several pickups to find the one that really fits your bass and your ear. Keep an eye on the classified, with a bit of patience pickups always surface up.


So i went with the Aguilar AG 4M. Thanks for your help friend.
 
And I don't know if the Ray35 uses the same specs as the Stingray but I gotta tell you, the 35 that I have has the best slap tone and cut through that I have ever heard. I wonder if that really is just because of the the components and quality of a music man or could I get those qualities with any single humbucker bass?
I have both the classic series stingray 5 and the ray35ca. I got to look at both of the preamp boards while having them switch between the two
basses and there was a difference between what was on the ray35ca circuit board vs the classic series 5 circuit board which answers the
question about the type of components on the music man basses. When compared, all components were in the same place, the only
difference was that on one bass the resistors (and or)capacitors were a little different! Now since both basses work from the 2 band EQ,
this was easy to identify. I don't know how this would compare to the 3 band EQ basses of the music man family!
 
I have a question, can an active stingray bass be turned into a passive bass with the same pick up?

No problems. As said above, the PuP is passive. It's the preamp which is the active element.

The American made "SUB Bass" Sting Ray (2003-2006) was offered as an optional passive Bass. Just email Ernie Ball's customer service for a wiring diagram. You could also purchase the specified pots from them.