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Music Man sound and pickups

Folks, I'd like to put a Ceramic pickup in my Stingray special 5 (heresy I know)

Does anyone know of a good ceramic Musicman 5 pickup with the screw ears?

I'd love to just grab a SD SMB5D but they don't have the screw ears. Or, can you change the cover on the SD Ceramic SMB5D?
 
I'm working on a rick inspired parts-bass, I've presently got the body and a Warwick bridge. I want to use it for a modern rock/funk sound so I was thinking of putting in a Nordstrand MM style quad-coil pickup in the MM position, with a toggle switch.

I was thinking of adding a nordenbacker neck pup in the rick neck sweet spot, so I could get a rick-ish tone when I need it. That was advice I gleaned from another thread I posted.

Are the bridge locations roughly similar for a Stingray bridge pup and a rick bridge one? The body I have is about an inch longer than a genuine rick.
 
I'm working on a rick inspired parts-bass, I've presently got the body and a Warwick bridge. I want to use it for a modern rock/funk sound so I was thinking of putting in a Nordstrand MM style quad-coil pickup in the MM position, with a toggle switch.

I was thinking of adding a nordenbacker neck pup in the rick neck sweet spot, so I could get a rick-ish tone when I need it. That was advice I gleaned from another thread I posted.

Are the bridge locations roughly similar for a Stingray bridge pup and a rick bridge one? The body I have is about an inch longer than a genuine rick.

I don't think so , I estimate the Rick bridge pickup to be equivalently between a jazz neck pickup and MM sweet spot
 
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I'm working on a rick inspired parts-bass, I've presently got the body and a Warwick bridge. I want to use it for a modern rock/funk sound so I was thinking of putting in a Nordstrand MM style quad-coil pickup in the MM position, with a toggle switch.

I was thinking of adding a nordenbacker neck pup in the rick neck sweet spot, so I could get a rick-ish tone when I need it. That was advice I gleaned from another thread I posted.

Are the bridge locations roughly similar for a Stingray bridge pup and a rick bridge one? The body I have is about an inch longer than a genuine rick.

I don't think so , I estimate the Rick bridge pickup to be equivalently between a jazz neck pickup and MM sweet spot
 
Did you do all mods yourself? Never did anything like this. How difficultwas this?


Hey guys ! I've actually signed up just so I could join this thread.

So, I've recently bought a Sterling by MM Sub Ray 4 (as per my profile pic) and since I know a lot a guys like me do not have 2K to drop on a brand new Ray, I figured I'd give you my honest thoughts on this bass, and walk you through the different stages of the modding I did.

Fresh out the box, IMHO, it's a hell of a bass ! For 400 dollars, you get what I think is the best starter/backup instrument you could possibly imagine. Cool perk, it comes out of the factory very well set up. Medium action, perfect intonation, good pickup height. The factory setting will suit most playing styles. Of course, if you want it more personal, grab a wrench ! Without getting into too much detail, all the woods used are of good quality. The neck is very playable, there isn't any lump or bump on the fingerboard, and the frets are well placed and smoothed out. As far as the body goes, it's not quite as heavy as a Ray, but still heavy enough to give you a fair amount of sustain. The only flaws I've spotted on these babies are the electronics. On one hand there's the pickup. I've read people wondering whether it uses alnico or ceramic. It's ceramic. I've seen many SUB Ray4 models and I have to say, the quality of the pup is a lottery. To be explicit, mine came with unaligned magnets. I can snap a pic for those interested. Basically, all 8 poles were sticking out randomly. One E magnet was higher than an A, a G higher than a D.. Which resulted in an uneven sound. That's quite a shame cause the pickup in itself has very similar tone to a real Ray, just less full. And on the other hand, on to the preamp. Same problem here, it lacks in quality. The volume control has no sensitivity and goes from 0-100 real quick ! As far as its voicing, it is too treble-oriented, but it has a hell of a punch ! But it is quite unidimentional.. So to sum it up, killer starter or backup bass as it is, with great materials, but the electronics leave some to be desired.

Soooo let's get to the modding part ! Before anything else, I need to tell you guys what kinda tone I wanted to achieve. I grew up on blink-182, MxPx, Less Than Jake, New Found Glory.. Lots of hip-hop too, but nothing that bears much influence soundwise. Except for NFG, back in the late 90's, all of these guys were using Ray's. I know the purists will despise that, but the tone of a 90's Ray with a 3 band EQ's and ceramic pickup was a real eargasm ! AND SO WERE THE CLASSIC ONES PUT THE GUN DOWN DAMMIT ! So that's what I was going after. Heavy low-mids, warm and agressive high end, fat overall sound. So, I swapped both the pickup and the preamp at the same time and here's what happened :

- For the pickup, I went with the Seymour Duncan SMB4-D (ceramic humbucking) wired in parallel.

Music Man

- For the preamp, I went with a John East MMSR 2 band EQ. I know I just went on about the whole 3 band thing, but I prefer keeping 2 knobs and EQ-ing my mids with a pedal. Personal preference.

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Now some might wonder why picking a rather vintage preamp trying to achieve a modern tone. Well, simply because the East is to me the most faithful pre of all. And a preamp alone isn't gonna define the tone signature. It's a 50/50 mix between both the pickup and the preamp. So I did the modding, and all I can say is WOW. I was nervous at first that the combination wouldn't quite do the job, but the doubts quickly vanished. With the East pre, I get the classic Stingray tone, as close as possible to the original, and with the SD, I get the agressiveness, punch and brightness from the players I used to listen to. Here's a cover I recorded with my upgraded bass. Play the track and feel free to let me know what you think. If anyone would like to hear this configuration in a different genre, or with other settings I'd be happy to help.



If you've made it this far, thanks for reading and once again, happy to help if needed ! ;)
 
The results are in! I switched out the stock 3-band preamp in my Stingray with a John East preamp which is meant to closely emulate the original 2-band, but also provides his sweepable mid band which, if left centered, has no effect on the tone.

I switched because I felt that the stock preamp was a bit harsh sounding. I'm glad I did. The John East preamp does not have that harshness and sounds more musical. Also, I feel like I can use a wide range of eq adjustments on this preamp vs. on the stock preamp where there was a very small range where I felt comfortable with the setting.

YMMV, but this made a huge difference for me and I did not have to swap the stock pickup.
 
The results are in! I switched out the stock 3-band preamp in my Stingray with a John East preamp which is meant to closely emulate the original 2-band, but also provides his sweepable mid band which, if left centered, has no effect on the tone.

I switched because I felt that the stock preamp was a bit harsh sounding. I'm glad I did. The John East preamp does not have that harshness and sounds more musical. Also, I feel like I can use a wide range of eq adjustments on this preamp vs. on the stock preamp where there was a very small range where I felt comfortable with the setting.

YMMV, but this made a huge difference for me and I did not have to swap the stock pickup.

I did the same to my 2002 2EQ Stingray.
The "2EQ Mode" (mids centered) sounded close to the original but I felt the lows were a bit tighter, and perhaps not quite as shrill on the treble. And the mids control... the not-so-secret weapon! It transformed my bass.
 
Can I put that John East Preamp into the Stingray 5HH? There is this plate attached to the preamp, how is it working with the pickup selection switch?

Best thing to do is contact John East directly. He'll be able to advice, and if a modification is required he'll be able to help. Just bear in mind is a one person operation so don't be upset if he doesn't reply immediately. Phone is best, when possible.
 
Can I put that John East Preamp into the Stingray 5HH? There is this plate attached to the preamp, how is it working with the pickup selection switch?

The thing with the MM basses that feature selection switching is that the stock preamps include different gain staging in the switching circuit to compensate for different output levels associated with the various pickup configurations selected by the switch. AFAIK, this is not part of John's current MM designs.
 
Hello

A live recording of Cosmocracy Inc.
I used my modded geddy lee bass :
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Aguilar AG4M pickup ALMOST on sweet spot , and Aguilar OBP-1 preamp.
Does it sound like a stingray ?
 
The results are in! I switched out the stock 3-band preamp in my Stingray with a John East preamp which is meant to closely emulate the original 2-band, but also provides his sweepable mid band which, if left centered, has no effect on the tone.

I switched because I felt that the stock preamp was a bit harsh sounding. I'm glad I did. The John East preamp does not have that harshness and sounds more musical. Also, I feel like I can use a wide range of eq adjustments on this preamp vs. on the stock preamp where there was a very small range where I felt comfortable with the setting.

YMMV, but this made a huge difference for me and I did not have to swap the stock pickup.

I just ordered the same John East MMSR preamp after refreshing the website for the last month+ waiting for the "out of stock" message to disappear! Excited to get this installed!!

I'm debating on whether I "need" a new pickup or can get away with the stock one. One issue I've always had on my 2001 SR is a weak G string. Is this a pickup "issue"? I assume it is and the preamp won't change that, but figured I'd ask..
 
I just ordered the same John East MMSR preamp after refreshing the website for the last month+ waiting for the "out of stock" message to disappear! Excited to get this installed!!

I'm debating on whether I "need" a new pickup or can get away with the stock one. One issue I've always had on my 2001 SR is a weak G string. Is this a pickup "issue"? I assume it is and the preamp won't change that, but figured I'd ask..

You'll find out soon enough for sure. I have never had a Stingray with a weak G (I've owned four) so I can't rightly say. But I would replace the pickup after the preamp just to be certain.