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Music Man sound and pickups

Yeah, I did not expect this much Stingray sound to be honest...

It's still in ugly-mode right now as I'm experimenting with some different setups
Also have a chinese alnico MM pup I want to try and might install a cheap preamp I have laying around, just to see what happens
Once I decide on the final set up, I'll close all holes, repaint and make it look half way decent again ;-)

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Do you know which chinese pickup you have? aliexpress possibly? I was looking at alnico MM PUs and weighing all of the options.... Nordy, SD, and China it seems.
 
Hi, guys. I wanna share some experience how to setup your MM Stingray 5 pickup.
So, I took off pickguard and soldered the pickup away from preamp to make adjustment easy. I started push down pole pieces with some strength, coz it seemed to me they were glued or smth like this. But do it carefully without fanatism

Did you move them to match the radius of the strings? Thing is, I've learned that the magnetic fields are wide enough that the fields for the inner strings are reinforced by the pole pieces on either side of them as well, so having the outer pole pieces closer to the strings actually results in a more even volume level for the outer strings.

Example from a guitar, but relevant.
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Yes, Aliexpress...

Here's the links:
Aliexpress Ceramic PUP
(currently installed)

Aliexpress Alnico PUP
(have it, but not tested it yet)

If you read the description more closely it says both pickups are 14.5K. The "alnico 5" is listed as 7.1H. This sounds much more like ceramic to me. The alnico 5 pickups from Seymour Duncan and Tesla are 1.9K and 2.55K. I'd like to order a PU off AliExpress if it really is alnico, but I'd need a bit more proof of that. Anyone have a clearer way of determining if it's alnico?
 
If you read the description more closely it says both pickups are 14.5K. The "alnico 5" is listed as 7.1H. This sounds much more like ceramic to me. The alnico 5 pickups from Seymour Duncan and Tesla are 1.9K and 2.55K. I'd like to order a PU off AliExpress if it really is alnico, but I'd need a bit more proof of that. Anyone have a clearer way of determining if it's alnico?

From the underside view, the construction in the top link with the big fat bar magnet is typical ceramic/ferrite. Typically in Alnico pickups the poles (slugs) themselves are the magnets, so there is no bar, as in the second link. Of course the picture doesn't prove it's Alnico, only that there is no magnet other than the slugs...
 
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If you read the description more closely it says both pickups are 14.5K. The "alnico 5" is listed as 7.1H. This sounds much more like ceramic to me. The alnico 5 pickups from Seymour Duncan and Tesla are 1.9K and 2.55K. I'd like to order a PU off AliExpress if it really is alnico, but I'd need a bit more proof of that. Anyone have a clearer way of determining if it's alnico?

it depends whether the two coils are wired in series or parallel. You get typically around 8ohm in series or 2ohm-ish in parallel for a classic Stingray alnico pickup
 
If you read the description more closely it says both pickups are 14.5K. The "alnico 5" is listed as 7.1H. This sounds much more like ceramic to me. The alnico 5 pickups from Seymour Duncan and Tesla are 1.9K and 2.55K. I'd like to order a PU off AliExpress if it really is alnico, but I'd need a bit more proof of that. Anyone have a clearer way of determining if it's alnico?

look at the polepieces.

if alnico, the polepieces are the magnets and they have a smooth surface
if ceramic, they *often* (not always) have concentric rings on the surface (the magnet is under the pickup, in contact with the polepieces)
That works for most but not all Stingray (big fat polepieces) pickups. With smaller polepieces the rule is not as clearcut, you need to look underneath for the presence of a magnet to see if it's ceramic or what.

Not that ceramic is bad. Bad pickups are bad pickups, and they come in ceramic and alnico versions, just like good pickups can be ceramic or alnico.
 
All this is way over my head
I'm already stoked when I get the wiring right :roflmao:
Figured it was cheap, so I ordered both and see which I like best
Haven't tried the alnico yet
I'll check the bottom of pup when I get home and post some pics for those interested
But don't ask me to measure resistance values etc. please... :confused:
 
All this is way over my head
I'm already stoked when I get the wiring right :roflmao:
Figured it was cheap, so I ordered both and see which I like best
Haven't tried the alnico yet
I'll check the bottom of pup when I get home and post some pics for those interested
But don't ask me to measure resistance values etc. please... :confused:

:D

I would not worry about it either: it's good when it sounds good, and yours does! :)
 
Here's the picture on the ALiExpress site. Certainly not the same as their cheaper ceramic one. From the sound excerpts I've heard on YouTube I definitely prefer alnico. But sound is a personal thing, and I'm sure there are fans of ceramic and neodymium.

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Can I put that John East Preamp into the Stingray 5HH? There is this plate attached to the preamp, how is it working with the pickup selection switch?

I have this same question. I just got a John East MMSR pre and was going to put it in a Stingray 5HH. The tech where I bought it said it would work fine, but I don't see how to wire it in and still retain the stock switch. + and - from both pickups go to the switch and only one wire going from the switch to the stock pre. The East pre needs two wires, + and -.

The thing with the MM basses that feature selection switching is that the stock preamps include different gain staging in the switching circuit to compensate for different output levels associated with the various pickup configurations selected by the switch. AFAIK, this is not part of John's current MM designs.

So does this mean that in fact, the MMSR pre cannot be used with the HH Stingrays w/ selector switch? How much volume difference would there be? To be honest, I should probably sell the HH and buy a single H as I don't really use the other PU settings much anyway, but even then, would the newer ones with the 3-way selector switch be the same story?

Has anyone tried the MMSR with an HH? And be willing to share how they wired it up? I kind of want to try it anyway, but don't want to cut into the stock wiring if it isn't going to work. In any case, I wouldn't do anything that couldn't be returned to stock if desired. Anyone tried this? Thanks in advance. :bassist:
 
Hey all. Recommendations for a replacement pickup for a 2016 Stingray that is slightly more aggressive than the factory pickup?
I have got these in a Maruszczyk Frog 4, I can easily replicate an aggressive stingray tone with these if that is what you are after. DELANO MC 4 HE/M2


I have Lane Poor pickups in my Stingray, can definetly recommend those. They are just pure class.
 
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Yes, Aliexpress...

Here's the links:
Aliexpress Ceramic PUP
(currently installed)

Aliexpress Alnico PUP
(have it, but not tested it yet)

I am the guy who share the Donlis MM alnico pickup a years ago on Sterling Sub Ray club.
I put one on my previous Sub Ray 4 to solve the high output issue .This pup come with 4 wire conductor, after i try both series and parallel, i prefer parallel wiring. The series sound to mussy . In parallel wiring, Donlis Alnico V MM pup sound smoother and rounder compare to stock ceramic pup.
Great match with Ti JF344,overall tone is less aggressive but still growl , plus some meatier add on and the G sound become fuller.
Sound better than GFS Alnico MM pup i try.
 
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