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Music Man StingRay Club | PART FIVE

Most in the Stingray threads probably know I have two Stingrays already and occassionally dream about adding a third, possibly a Classic 5 or a 2008-2017 alnico 5 to synergize with my 2007 ceramic 5HH and my 2019 Special 5HH. Lately I've been thinking about doing something else but wanted to get some opinions from the "experts" here.

My band leader is booking more festivals and other outdoor shows for the summer months, which is fine with me. However, pop up thunderstorms are always a possibility. So, with four outdoor gigs already scheduled this year plus a few more that our BL is working on, I'm thinking of adding an inexpensive beater bass since I already have a backup amp and backup cabs that I'd be willing to take if the weather looked questionable. And the reason I came to the experts here? Obviously I'm considering a Sterling By Musicman Stingray 5. :D

I've seen reviews/demos on YouTube and read posts here on TB that make think they'd be a pretty safe bet. But I figured I'd ask those who have an SBMM or an SBMM Sub, and especially those who also have USA MM basses, what their impressions are. Since I'd consider this a beater and would prefer to keep the price under $500, I'd probably not buy a new SBMM Ray35. I might get a used one if I can find a deal, but I'd more likely lean toward a new SBMM Sub. Either way, I don't expect a bass in this price range to rival my two USA SR5's or my other USA made basses. But as long as it's able to get through a gig and give me reasonable sound I think I'll do it. Some of the things that I've seen that make me hesitate are reports that the spacing at the bridge on the 5's is even narrower than on the USA 5 (16.5mm as opposed ot 17.5mm) and that the pickups are unusually hot and can distort when your volume is close to max, especially with the bass boosted. Thereare ways to deal with the hot pickup, but the even narrower spacing is a minor concern.

FWIW, some others I've considered are:
- Yamaha BB235 - A passive PJ, just to get something different from what I typically use
- Squier Classic Vibe Jazz 5 - I do like Jazz basses but never really had a a passive Jazz before
- Peavey BXP 5 - Maybe a Millenium, Grind, or Foundation).
I kind of like the idea of doing something different, and doing it with an inexpensive beater is a way to do that with minimal guilt. But I also have a tough time straying from Stingrays.

Anyway, thoughts on the SBMMs and SBMM Subs?
Surely over your way you could pick up a bargain Peavey Dyna Bass 5..ive had mine more than 30 years and its a great bass..would make a great beater..you could pick one up for a song in the States i would reckon. Mine is a '91 Dyna.
Best of luck with the outdoor gigs.
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Agreed. I love my L-2500 but, yeah, my Stingrays are the top choice.

Actually, I've been playing my Stingrays a lot lately and, even though I've been bringing my L-2500 as the second bass, I've been sticking with whichever Stingray I brought for the whole gig. So, for tomorrow afternoon's gig, I'm purposely bringing the L-2500 and WILL use it for two sets. Not sure which Stingray I'll bring for the second bass, but I'll use it for the other two sets.

EDIT: @jefff100 Not sure how close you are to Medford, but we're playing at the Flying W airport at their famous airplane-shaped pool. C'mon on out! :D

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Hope your gig was good. :) Weather was great! I'm familiar with the Flying W.
I work in Hainesport & live in Shamong so that's pretty local for me.

In the middle of some major rehab projects at the fiancé's house, gearing it up to sell.
 
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Well one of my basses sold so I'm in buying mode already! Decided instead of trying to get a ride (I'm a city boy with no car) to this shop over an hour away to try the 5 HS, I'd order a 4 HS off of Guitar Center site and get it delivered. If I don't like it I can return. Honestly I think only a 4 HS will leave me enough room to slap comfortably. Even the 5 HS looks too tight.

With the holiday I probably won't see the bass for quite awhile but will give my update then.

I'm a little worried about the weak G string issue some Stingray owners complain of. I never noticed it on pre special Stingrays that I have played so hoping this HS won't have it.
 
Agreed. I love my L-2500 but, yeah, my Stingrays are the top choice.

Actually, I've been playing my Stingrays a lot lately and, even though I've been bringing my L-2500 as the second bass, I've been sticking with whichever Stingray I brought for the whole gig. So, for tomorrow afternoon's gig, I'm purposely bringing the L-2500 and WILL use it for two sets. Not sure which Stingray I'll bring for the second bass, but I'll use it for the other two sets.

EDIT: @jefff100 Not sure how close you are to Medford, but tomorrow's gig is at the Flying W airport at their famous airplane-shaped pool. C'mon on out! :D

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Actually, we're playing today, starting to pack up my gear now.

Looks like another great day out there. Looking forward to it!

Man, did we have a blast today! Things went really well, except for one small problem....

I planned to use both my L-2500 for two sets and one of my Stingrays for two sets. Didn't work out that way. I took my 2007 ceramic 5HH in addition to the L, used it for the first set and ... just kept using it. Our sound guy always says how much he loves my L-2500 but he just kept giving me a thumbs up throughout the first set. So I kept using it and he kept giving me a thumbs up all day. He said it sounded fantastic out front - and that was with me being the only person not in the PA at all. My bass and rig had no trouble putting out enough to cover the gig on its own. We set up in the gazebo at the top left of the picture above and he said the sound was really good for the crowd at the bar at the top middle, under the pavillion at the top right, and for the people out at the pool. And we got a kick out of planes taking off and landing on the runway on the left just outside the frame of the picture.

It was a great way to kick off the summer. We had a blast and got great feedback from a good sized crowd - and from the bartenders and pool manager as well. A lot of people apparently asked them if we were going to be back again later this summer so ... fingers crossed.

As usual, the Stingray comes through again - and made a convert out of our sound guy. :D
 
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I'm a little worried about the weak G string issue some Stingray owners complain of. I never noticed it on pre special Stingrays that I have played so hoping this HS won't have it.

I always fixed the weak G string issue on my Stingrays by making the pole pieces flush instead of the stock staggered. I hate staggered pole pieces because they're super uncomfortable for playing aggressively over them (and I do that often), plus I always had better string to string balance with flush pole pieces.

Dual pickup Stingrays (HH and HS) already have the pole pieces flush so it shouldn't be a problem. They made a good decision to have flush pole pieces on the Specials, be they H or HH version.
 
I always fixed the weak G string issue on my Stingrays by making the pole pieces flush instead of the stock staggered. I hate staggered pole pieces because they're super uncomfortable for playing aggressively over them (and I do that often), plus I always had better string to string balance with flush pole pieces.

Dual pickup Stingrays (HH and HS) already have the pole pieces flush so it shouldn't be a problem. They made a good decision to have flush pole pieces on the Specials, be they H or HH version.

Sorry don't quite understand, how do you fix where the pole pieces are?
 
I always fixed the weak G string issue on my Stingrays by making the pole pieces flush instead of the stock staggered. I hate staggered pole pieces because they're super uncomfortable for playing aggressively over them (and I do that often), plus I always had better string to string balance with flush pole pieces.

Dual pickup Stingrays (HH and HS) already have the pole pieces flush so it shouldn't be a problem. They made a good decision to have flush pole pieces on the Specials, be they H or HH version.
So the pole pieces are adjustable in height?
Is this done from underneath the pickup?
 
Sorry don't quite understand, how do you fix where the pole pieces are?

So the pole pieces are adjustable in height?
Is this done from underneath the pickup?

I take the pickup cover off and push the A and D pole pieces carefully (or maybe tap them with a rubber mallet).
After I'm done and the height is even on all of the poles, I use a bit of Loctite glue around the A and D poles on the back of the pickup, just to keep them from any unwanted movement. I also added a few shims to raise the pickup cover and have the pole pieces even more flush, but that's just my personal OCD.

Someone made a video about this years ago:


Here's my pickup, flush with the cover and comfortable to play over:
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I take the pickup cover off and push the A and D pole pieces carefully (or maybe tap them with a rubber mallet).
After I'm done and the height is even on all of the poles, I use a bit of Loctite glue around the A and D poles on the back of the pickup, just to keep them from any unwanted movement. I also added a few shims to raise the pickup cover and have the pole pieces even more flush, but that's just my personal OCD.

Someone made a video about this years ago:


Here's my pickup, flush with the cover and comfortable to play over:
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Interesting solution. Haven't noticed the issue with my fives but sounds like a good fix long as you're very careful. Bridge saddle height adjustment also involved. Good research
 
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Interesting solution. Haven't noticed the issue with my fives but sounds like a good fix long as you're very careful. Bridge saddle height adjustment also involved. Good research

I played a 5 string Stingray once and I think the stagger is a lot less pronounced on those. If you check the close up photos of 4H pre-Special Stingrays, you can really see how taller the A and D pole pieces are. It's especially uncomfortable for pre 2003 Stingrays because the pole pieces weren't beveled and they can feel pretty sharp.
 
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Sharp enough to square off a pick rather quickly if you were really getting after it. Mine is a 2001 I think?

I've cleaned the neck here and there and kept it in good shape over the years (bought it new) but only recently got my hands on some Tru Oil and Gunstock wax to give it the full treatment. It was worth it! Feels so good now!

Old crappy pic but you get the idea:
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I played a 5 string Stingray once and I think the stagger is a lot less pronounced on those. If you check the close up photos of 4H pre-Special Stingrays, you can really see how taller the A and D pole pieces are. It's especially uncomfortable for pre 2003 Stingrays because the pole pieces weren't beveled and they can feel pretty sharp.
Yup you're right. Pulled the two rays out of the closet (l don't play them out) and looked at the pole pieces. D and A positions markedly higher G and E flush. Dynamics-wise, I had paid more attention to the tone and assumed the pole height was typical to the design. And so much as a lot of us play over the pickup the sharp rim would be a factor. My SR5 pieces are more uniform. Learn something new...
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