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Music Theory gold?

Wow never heard it explained like THIS



I was school band and for 7 years, the closest we got to in depth music Theory was the free folder they'd give us with the scales and circle of fifths printed inside, in case we wanted to figure it out for ourselves

Edit- upon a second watch, maybe this is the standard approach, but this is the first time the puzzle pieces fit for me. I've seen intervals explained for C, but not other keys. One of the Hazards of randomly teaching yourself during night shift YouTube/web surfing binges. I like the way this guy presents it.
 
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Interesting fun fact. I wouldnt know what to do with it, as coming from a music reading back ground, so i was already familiar with keys. Aside from a basic 101 class, i dont see an application. If i pick up sheet music, the key is already there.
 
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Nobody reads a jazz solo or any kind of solo for that matter...
Sorry my friend i dont see the relevance. If your ear is that great, one probably needs nothing. But a new player, who doesnt know keys to begin with, i dont see where the info is all that helpful. They'll be trying to think of the formula instead of playing the notes- if that makes sense.
 
Sorry my friend i dont see the relevance. If your ear is that great, one probably needs nothing. But a new player, who doesnt know keys to begin with, i dont see where the info is all that helpful. They'll be trying to think of the formula instead of playing the notes- if that makes sense.

You don't see the relevance in practicing in all keys so you can effectively get your ideas out? You do a lot of soloing do you?

If you are referring to just knowing the fact that there are 15 major and minor keys, it simply has to do with the idea of knowing something vs. not knowing... Maybe it is just a fun fact as you say. However, I never let other people dictate what I choose to learn.
 
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Perhaps i misunderstood the point of the videos, which to me seemed like a short cut to the memorization of how many sharps and flats were in each key.

That doesn't seem like a handy thing to know, if you are doing something, say like, playing an instrument?

So I'm on this gig right, not long ago and this guy comes up to me and he says he's studying with my guitarist. He's saying how he always read everything (he's a guitarist of course) but that he had no concept of the fact that having the one little hashtag on the page meant the key of G. He would just see one symbol and play it...

My mouth fell open...

Anyway, my point is, simply because something doesn't apply to you specifically, doesn't mean the knowledge has no value. Since you, as an individual, are not the barometer of all knowledge.
 
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Guys, knowing a couple of tricks about sharps and flats in keys isn’t even the tip of the iceberg when it comes to music theory - not even close. Yes, Vic’s a profoundly brilliant player and he presents the material convincingly and confidently, but the info he’s sharing is at the level of card tricks and is almost useless. Can you tell us what the first inversion of a C triad is or analyze what Ami7 - D7 - Gmaj7 is using Roman numerals using the treasure trove of theory skillz Victor just imparted on you? Hint : no, you can't.

I know you’re all going to howl in disagreement with me in this, but you wouldn’t if you got at least a B in a college-level Theory 1 class.
 
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I love Victor, but in my opinion, he's wrong on this one. ;)

Keys and key signatures are two separate (but related) concepts. Keys are a sonic/musical reality, while key signatures are an abstract notational device.

Our ears tell us there are 24 keys in western music: one major key for each note of the 12-tone chromatic scale, and one minor key for each note of the 12-tone chromatic scale.

Key signatures are a shorthand that we've invented to make notated sheet music easier to read. Theoretically it is not "necessary" to use key signatures at all! Any song can be notated in any key signature. For example, John Coltrane's "Giant Steps" is often notated with a key signature of 0 sharps and 0 flats. But that doesn't mean "Giant Steps" is in C major (or A minor)! It's just notated that way because it's easier to read.

Our standard system of music notation is flawed and imperfect. It has accumulated a lot of quirky features along the way throughout its history. For example, a common beginner question, "Why does the major scale start on C? Wouldn't it make more sense to start on A?"

Because of these flaws in standard music notation, there are certain key signatures that exist in theory, but aren't commonly used because the notation is awkward. For example, imagine we are playing in C# (7 sharps) and we want to modulate to the key of G#. Modulating up a perfect 5th is called the "dominant key" and is probably the most common modulation in all of music history. If you are following the Victor Wooten video, you might say, "G# major is not allowed, because there are only 15 major keys, and you can only have 7 sharps." But Ab major (4 flats) is "allowed" so you might choose to notate your song in C# with a modulation to Ab. Awkward!!

But in fact there is a key of G# major. It has 8 sharps, or more accurately, 6 sharps and a double-sharp (F##). Look at a composition such as "Prelude and Fugue no. 3" from J.S. Bach's "Well Tempered Clavier." It is notated in the key signature of C# major and modulates to the dominant key of G# major. Bach accomplishes this modulation through the use of F## just as we would expect.

Victor Wooten teaches that there are 15 major keys and 15 minor keys for a total of 30. But that is simply a limitation or quirk in our notation system. The 30 keys he's talking about are the ones that can be written without using double-sharps or double-flats. But given that double-flats and double-sharps are a "thing" that exists, we have to conclude that keys like G# major or Fb minor do theoretically "exist". Even good old C major can be written enharmonically as B# major! We don't avoid these keys because they "don't exist" but rather because they are cumbersome to read, with all the double-flats and double-sharps. In theory, every key signature has at least one enharmonic equivalent; in practice, the only enharmonic keys that are commonly encountered are the ones that are easy to read and write: Db/C#, Gb/F#, and Cb/B.

In conclusion, there are 24 keys (12 major and 12 minor), at least 48 theoretical key signatures (24 major and 24 minor), and 30 practical key signatures (15 major and 15 minor) that are typically encountered in the real world.

It's important not to get hung up on the significance of the number 15. The truly significant number is 12 (because the octave is divided into 12 parts), whereas 15 is just an artifact or quirk of our notation system. My grandpa used to do a magic trick where he tried to convince me he had 11 fingers. The 3 "extra" key signatures (bringing the total from 12 to 15) are "enharmonic equivalents" or "two different names for the same thing." F# and Gb are undoubtedly two different key signatures, but saying they are two different keys is like my grandpa counting the same finger twice!
 
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i studied Bach , Beethoven , etc ... now we can study Steve ..!! cool ...

i'm currently studying at Masterclass.com w/ Herbie Hancock ... i think " masterclass " might be over-used ?

i do enjoy Wooten's views on the language of music ..!! it's a Language , therefore , we need to learn how to communicate properly ..!
 
Sorry my friend i dont see the relevance. If your ear is that great, one probably needs nothing. But a new player, who doesnt know keys to begin with, i dont see where the info is all that helpful. They'll be trying to think of the formula instead of playing the notes- if that makes sense.

Because music is a language and in order to carry on a conversation in that language you need to speak it. Parrots can mimic words, but do you really want to sit down and chat with one?

New players should be exposed to as much theory as possible so that they understand what they're playing. Even those who read music need to know what they're reading, so that they can perform the written music with a knowledge of what the composer was intending.

A five year old can read Shakespeare, but do you want to listen to a five year old (who isn't your kid) read Shakespeare?
 
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So you say first video has it right. In major scale, with half steps between 3&4 and 7&8. If you want G# scale then do the whole step half step thing. My tiny brain accepts double sharps and double flats, because that's the spelling. I don't have to worry about elevated key things:cigar: