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My Dirt Bender - Another Jounal

You write well, el m. Entertaining.

Gonna express respect that you can be cold & clear though all this, rather than fawning & gushing like a little girl at every demo or front-running excuses for things that aren’t ideal.

When’s the full verdict?


Thank you and funny you should ask. I dipped a toe into the water and placed an ad locally that suggested I might be willing to part ways with the Broadcast again and was practically forced to do so very quickly. Money is a good lubricant.

In the classifieds I found both a PettyJohn Iron MkI which intrigued me and a Saturn VI which was mentioned in this thread.

The balloon that has propelled me through nine pages of this thread feels deflated, though.

I can already feel my attention shifting towards routing/switching with the help of MIDI.


The Smallsound / Bigsound Mini does everything I want from it and then some.
I like what the knobs do. I like that it sounds like me. I also like that I can make it do full blown fuzz. I also like that it plays well with the other pedals and that it just dropped into the slot like it was made for it.
 
Small update here:
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Receiving the Hand Wired Underground Accelerator, I'm nearly at a loss of words on how awesome that pedal is.
The breakup from that tube, along with the bass and treble boost. I originally set that pedal to get just a touch of overtones and a solid treble boost and used it mainly when picking chords higher up the neck. With the gain slightly raised and the bass set a bit higher, it still does an awesome job in that regard, but it also gives a solid drive, where the dirt has a raspy, slightly throaty texture to it. It feels more like a tube amp pushed hard than an overdrive pedal, but it somehow became my go-to pedal for adding dirt.
 
I want to conclude the thread for the time being.

The @Sushi Box FX Handwired Underground Accelerator with the Psvane 12AX7 tube is, hands (and ears) down the best drive pedal there is for my setup.

It gives me a fat and warm drive. When I kick in the BDPG, the sound gets fatter and warmer.

I even took the Mini off my board to have room for more synth stuff.
That is one pedal I will not sell in a rush. It is still incredibly good and will most likely land on any second board I might construct.

Since starting this in January, I came full circle and arrived back at the Underground Accelerator :-)
 
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Thanks to @Charlie Tuna , I have a Saturn VI to play around with for a while. It was mentioned in this thread by @dedpool1052 , but I never ran across a sweet enough deal to get one.

What I liked from the start: The build quality and general aesthetic seems quite close to Origin Effects.
You can ceratinly smash bricks with it. Black face plate and iron sides. Silent switch. 'Diamond' light with even more facets than the Origin one, great choice of deep and rich red. The knobs feel right.

What I immensely disliked from the start: Side jacks. This thing will not fit on my board.

First impressions from my ears? This is funny. I played for a couple of minutes, then I looked at the Spaceman website to see if they mention how the clipping is done in the pedal.
I read their text:
The Saturn VI brings a general openness to the top end of the frequency spectrum, while keeping bass frequencies fully present, tight and controlled. We’ve added a new Tone circuit to allow customization of the treble frequencies, so you can adjust for the perfect amount of sparkle. The harmonic distortion present is extremely dynamic. Play with a light touch and you’ll get a clean tone, but dig in and the Saturn VI will respond.

The drive texture within the Saturn VI is comprised of both odd and even harmonics. The Boost side of the pedal is focused on subtle even-order harmonics, while the Drive side increases these and brings odd-order harmonics to the mix. While it excels as a harmonic booster, the Saturn VI crosses into the realm of overdrive when using the Drive control. It also works well with other pedals, opening new sonic dimensions with boost, fuzz, and overdrive effects.

(Quote from Saturn VI)
This is 100%, word for word, exactly what I perceived when I tried the pedal.
The tone knob felt like a passive treble blend at first, but when I turned it fully CW, I felt like there was added top end sparkle.
I initially placed it after my comp, but then switched it to first in chain, where it felt better.
If I was to do something with multiple gain stages, this pedal would make a great first stage, and would also do wonders when you let it play into other dirt pedals.

It's also one of those that let me enjoy playing chords high up the neck with just a little saturation added to it, giving me a bit more definition around the top end plus making those blooming pearly drive sounds when plucking double stops a little harder. Add some reverb/delay to it and you can loose yourself into playing for a while.
It's intuitive, it steals zero low end, it's remarkably silent, it sounds great and it is very well made. I'd want one for myself, but side jacks.
 
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Thanks to @Charlie Tuna , I have a Saturn VI to play around with for a while. It was mentioned in this thread by @dedpool1052 , but I never ran across a sweet enough deal to get one.

What I liked from the start: The build quality and general aesthetic seems quite close to Origin Effects.
You can ceratinly smash bricks with it. Black face plate and iron sides. Silent switch. 'Diamond' light with even more facets than the Origin one, great choice of deep and rich red. The knobs feel right.

What I immensely disliked from the start: Side jacks. This thing will not fit on my board.

First impressions from my ears? This is funny. I played for a couple of minutes, then I looked at the Spaceman website to see if they mention how the clipping is done in the pedal.
I read their text:

This is 100%, word for word, exactly what I perceived when I tried the pedal.
The tone knob felt like a passive treble blend at first, but when I turned it fully CW, I felt like there was added top end sparkle.
I initially placed it after my comp, but then switched it to first in chain, where it felt better.
If I was to do something with multiple gain stages, this pedal would make a great first stage, and would also do wonders when you let it play into other dirt pedals.

It's also one of those that let me enjoy playing chords high up the neck with just a little saturation added to it, giving me a bit more definition around the top end plus making those blooming pearly drive sounds when plucking double stops a little harder. Add some reverb/delay to it and you can loose yourself into playing for a while.
It's intuitive, it steals zero low end, it's remarkably silent, it sounds great and it is very well made. I'd want one for myself, but side jacks.

I love it. Would’ve recommended it earlier in the thread if I’d had one then. We hear and experience a lot of this stuff the same. Dig the level of detail and types of details you include in your posts.

The Saturn 6 can be very light & subtle, with controls that are useful yet not too touchy. It worls well with high-output basses, and I’m happy with the side jacks.
 
I love it. Would’ve recommended it earlier in the thread if I’d had one then. We hear and experience a lot of this stuff the same. Dig the level of detail and types of details you include in your posts.

The Saturn 6 can be very light & subtle, with controls that are useful yet not too touchy. It worls well with high-output basses, and I’m happy with the side jacks.

Thank you - I try to be as thorough as I can - without using scientific methods. I don't care how these pedals measure up. I care how they work in the eco system I drop them into (i.e. my pedalboard).
And that particular eco system has the room for a single, normal sized pedal with top jacks and no more at present.
I'm contemplating getting one of these anyways, just to have it. It is a stellar pedal.
 
Well, I posted it already over in my preamp thread, but a Broughton SV-Pre has found its way into my Lair, too.
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Since this pedal is capable of serving not only as a preamp (as the writing on it suggests) but also as a drive pedal when you are generous with the gain knob, I'll include it here, too.
I'm still waiting on the Sushi Box Particle Accelerator, then I'll properly test the preamp capabilities - but for now, I'd like to comment on the abilities as a dirt machine.

Disclaimer:
Name and knob/switch layout of the pedal suggest that this is Mr. Broughton's take on a very popular amp head. I get the appeal, but I really don't like the SVT that much personally. I did not educate myself on the pedal when I started testing, but just played bass and turned knobs in trial and error fashion until I found something I liked.


If I was to describe the pedal in one word, I'd choose "beefy".
As soon as the gain approaches noon, I get good amounts of grit. It should not come as a surprise, but I'll mention it anyway: The breakup feels more like driving an amp hard than using a distortion pedal. My signal chain is fairly hot when it reaches the SV-Pre, so I guess that I need less gain than other people will use.
To my ear, the low switch did give me an option of slightly weaker bass, slightly boosted bass and the ampeg-thing with the dip around 250 and the sub boost (later reading confirmed that one setting is high passed, one setting is the ampeg-thing and the third is not a boost, but the off position). The bright switch is pretty much straightforward as can be. Flip for treble.
Then there's the three band EQ. Bass does bass, treble does treble, center flat, good amount of boost and cut. The true magic IMHO sits in the one bit where the pedal differs from the original. Where Ampeg has that weird mid selector switch (that has all the wrong positions for my personal taste, but seems to be just right for most other people) Mr. Broughton has implemented fully parametric mids, and that really works a lot better than the original.

I dialed in some grit and played around with Middle Management by giving the mids knob a solid boost and then sweep through the frequencies. In my setup, it seemed that in the first half of the dial until around 800-850Hz, I was giving the cleaner part of the signal a hump in the low mids. When crossing into the second half, the hump was applied to the sizzle, giving me the option to shape the character of the drive from growly to sizzly.

The interaction between the treble knob and the bright switch is something I have not fully comprehended yet. The description on the website describes the treble control as shelving and the bright switch as a switch to apply a treble boost. Having the treble past noon and flipping the switch seems to amplify finger noises.


I found that I liked the pedal best with the bass set to a slight boost, the low switch in the off position.

A good growly tone was found for me when I set the mid bump to just past 800Hz, bright switch off and treble just before 2 o'clock.
A good sizzly tone was with the mids bumped at close to 3k, bright switch on and treble at noon.

Even though I'm not a huge fan of the SVT, it is fun to stack that tonestack with others in the middle of a pedal board. I'll see what more I can coax from it.
I'm very happy with how beefy it is and with the sheer heft of the tone.
I'm not yet really convinced by the treble options. For want of a better description, I am aiming at the sweet spot between pearly and sparkly - but I'm getting harsh or muffled.

Tonight, I'll see how well it plays with others.
 
Well, I posted it already over in my preamp thread, but a Broughton SV-Pre has found its way into my Lair, too.
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Since this pedal is capable of serving not only as a preamp (as the writing on it suggests) but also as a drive pedal when you are generous with the gain knob, I'll include it here, too.
I'm still waiting on the Sushi Box Particle Accelerator, then I'll properly test the preamp capabilities - but for now, I'd like to comment on the abilities as a dirt machine.

Disclaimer:
Name and knob/switch layout of the pedal suggest that this is Mr. Broughton's take on a very popular amp head. I get the appeal, but I really don't like the SVT that much personally. I did not educate myself on the pedal when I started testing, but just played bass and turned knobs in trial and error fashion until I found something I liked.


If I was to describe the pedal in one word, I'd choose "beefy".
As soon as the gain approaches noon, I get good amounts of grit. It should not come as a surprise, but I'll mention it anyway: The breakup feels more like driving an amp hard than using a distortion pedal. My signal chain is fairly hot when it reaches the SV-Pre, so I guess that I need less gain than other people will use.
To my ear, the low switch did give me an option of slightly weaker bass, slightly boosted bass and the ampeg-thing with the dip around 250 and the sub boost (later reading confirmed that one setting is high passed, one setting is the ampeg-thing and the third is not a boost, but the off position). The bright switch is pretty much straightforward as can be. Flip for treble.
Then there's the three band EQ. Bass does bass, treble does treble, center flat, good amount of boost and cut. The true magic IMHO sits in the one bit where the pedal differs from the original. Where Ampeg has that weird mid selector switch (that has all the wrong positions for my personal taste, but seems to be just right for most other people) Mr. Broughton has implemented fully parametric mids, and that really works a lot better than the original.

I dialed in some grit and played around with Middle Management by giving the mids knob a solid boost and then sweep through the frequencies. In my setup, it seemed that in the first half of the dial until around 800-850Hz, I was giving the cleaner part of the signal a hump in the low mids. When crossing into the second half, the hump was applied to the sizzle, giving me the option to shape the character of the drive from growly to sizzly.

The interaction between the treble knob and the bright switch is something I have not fully comprehended yet. The description on the website describes the treble control as shelving and the bright switch as a switch to apply a treble boost. Having the treble past noon and flipping the switch seems to amplify finger noises.


I found that I liked the pedal best with the bass set to a slight boost, the low switch in the off position.

A good growly tone was found for me when I set the mid bump to just past 800Hz, bright switch off and treble just before 2 o'clock.
A good sizzly tone was with the mids bumped at close to 3k, bright switch on and treble at noon.

Even though I'm not a huge fan of the SVT, it is fun to stack that tonestack with others in the middle of a pedal board. I'll see what more I can coax from it.
I'm very happy with how beefy it is and with the sheer heft of the tone.
I'm not yet really convinced by the treble options. For want of a better description, I am aiming at the sweet spot between pearly and sparkly - but I'm getting harsh or muffled.

Tonight, I'll see how well it plays with others.
The SV-Pre is a great pedal, and one I acquired last year.

I agree, that those mids are key.
 
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I'm starting to see the advantages of having one than more gain stage available (again).
Something dynamic and light very early in the chain. Something to boost harmonics and to saturate, then something more overdrive-y after the comp, set so it works on its own, but really wakes up when played into with the other pedal.

In theory, there would be space for one more pedal if I moved things a bit in the lower tiers of the board.
 
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I could take the the SV-Pre out yesterday, playing with others.
The mids are a tremendous help placing the bass in the mix.

What I liked: This pedal shows ripping muscle. It roars, growls and bellows all you want, while always staying beefy and having as much heft as your setup can shoulder.

What I missed: Elegance.
This pedal is modeled on what might well be the beefiest amp head of all times.
You feel like you get the punch akin to Mike Tyson in his prime.
However, you also feel like you get the origami abilities of Mike Tyson in his prime (wearing boxing gloves) when it comes to subtlety, elegance and sparkle.

This pedal does not do half measures. It is as subtle as a freight train. That can be good and it can be bad.
It's a surefire way to get audible grit sitting well balanced in the mix when you're playing heavy rock.
 
I could take the the SV-Pre out yesterday, playing with others.
The mids are a tremendous help placing the bass in the mix.

What I liked: This pedal shows ripping muscle. It roars, growls and bellows all you want, while always staying beefy and having as much heft as your setup can shoulder.

What I missed: Elegance.
This pedal is modeled on what might well be the beefiest amp head of all times.
You feel like you get the punch akin to Mike Tyson in his prime.
However, you also feel like you get the origami abilities of Mike Tyson in his prime (wearing boxing gloves) when it comes to subtlety, elegance and sparkle.

This pedal does not do half measures. It is as subtle as a freight train. That can be good and it can be bad.
It's a surefire way to get audible grit sitting well balanced in the mix when you're playing heavy rock.
Agreed an all accounts.

My buddy @XXL kept telling me about the SV-Pre, but I kept brushing it off.
Until he loaned it to me.

Immediately put out a feeler in the Broughton thread, and got one before I even sent the other one back.
 
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Tested the Phat Phuk B going into the PA mini and it's fantastic. Super meaty, with heft and definition and really pleasing breakup when digging in. Had to adjust the PA's gain and volume to keep it all in balance.

I also really dug the PPB going into the Analog Alien Bass Station with comp and amp sim on. That was just beautiful, especially using flats.

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I might want to look into the PPB, too.

My board has been altered. I have two spots now.
One that sits very early in the chain (basically directly behind the input buffer)
and one that sits behind the comp.

For the first spot, I imagine that dirty boost / very light OD to add a bit of treble and/or harmonics.
Right now, I put the Spaceman there and I have a feeling that this will remain my pedal of choice.
You know these moments when you try out a pedal and you instantly click? The Saturn VI was like that.
I switched it on and really liked what I was hearing - so much that my current idea of building a tiny bare essentials board would be Saturn VI into Cali76 into Noble.

...but we'll see what the Jive can do in that spot - the result of that bout will determine if I want to explore deeper or just go with one of them.