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My Dirt Bender - Another Jounal

Just gonna put it out there; having been initially through your preamp journal, and now this.... you are doing the work of the Lord, testing out all these various gadgets.

You are also dangerous on my wallet; bought an Underground Accelerator as a result of all this! Won't have it for another couple weeks, though, as I leave for a tour in 48hrs, and there's no chance it'd arrive in time for departure day... But I still consider that money you spent on my behalf! :help:
 
I might want to look into the PPB, too.

My board has been altered. I have two spots now.
One that sits very early in the chain (basically directly behind the input buffer)
and one that sits behind the comp.

For the first spot, I imagine that dirty boost / very light OD to add a bit of treble and/or harmonics.
Right now, I put the Spaceman there and I have a feeling that this will remain my pedal of choice.
You know these moments when you try out a pedal and you instantly click? The Saturn VI was like that.
I switched it on and really liked what I was hearing - so much that my current idea of building a tiny bare essentials board would be Saturn VI into Cali76 into Noble.

...but we'll see what the Jive can do in that spot - the result of that bout will determine if I want to explore deeper or just go with one of them.
If you haven't yet, give the Saturn a go at 12V.
 
Just gonna put it out there; having been initially through your preamp journal, and now this.... you are doing the work of the Lord, testing out all these various gadgets.

You are also dangerous on my wallet; bought an Underground Accelerator as a result of all this! Won't have it for another couple weeks, though, as I leave for a tour in 48hrs, and there's no chance it'd arrive in time for departure day... But I still consider that money you spent on my behalf! :help:

Thank you for your kind words ... and untenable allegations!
 
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@el murdoque I only engage in spurious hearsay, and untenable allegations. Consistency is my motto.

I am, short term, looking at the incoming UA as a grit/light drive pedal. Medium term I am looking at it as an always-on tone sweetener/shaper, just-before-breaking-up kind of clean tone, with a boost of some sort in front to push it into outright overdrive. Constrained by the need for a nano-sized enclosure, so have been casting my eyes around. Not sure I want a "pure" clean boost a la TC Spark, probably something that offers a hint of hair, just to really make the UA sing if I want it (do occasionally require that tone with some cover bands).

It's probably a left-field option, but there's a used Zvex Channel 2 on a local-ish (ie: still in Canada) listing on Reverb atm. Looks marketed towards guitar, but I think it could well do the trick on bass. I've always liked that company, and the functionality/form does fit my requirements. But maybe, just maybe, I should take ownership of the UA before all that, and see how I feel first...
 
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@el murdoque I only engage in spurious hearsay, and untenable allegations. Consistency is my motto.

I am, short term, looking at the incoming UA as a grit/light drive pedal. Medium term I am looking at it as an always-on tone sweetener/shaper, just-before-breaking-up kind of clean tone, with a boost of some sort in front to push it into outright overdrive. Constrained by the need for a nano-sized enclosure, so have been casting my eyes around. Not sure I want a "pure" clean boost a la TC Spark, probably something that offers a hint of hair, just to really make the UA sing if I want it (do occasionally require that tone with some cover bands).

It's probably a left-field option, but there's a used Zvex Channel 2 on a local-ish (ie: still in Canada) listing on Reverb atm. Looks marketed towards guitar, but I think it could well do the trick on bass. I've always liked that company, and the functionality/form does fit my requirements. But maybe, just maybe, I should take ownership of the UA before all that, and see how I feel first...


I don't know your board, but sometimes a normal sized pedal with top jacks takes up the same real estate than a mini - would that be an option for you?

I recently learned about the JPTR FX Jive, and they did build a nano version of that for a short while. I have no idea why they stopped, though - but those that got out are out there.

Your plan IS sound, using the UA on the edge and then pushing it over with something a little stronger is something the Sushi Box does well IME.
 
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Unfortunately, the parcel tracking lied to me. The JPTR FX pedal was not in the mail today, it should arrive tomorrow.

Outlook for the not-so distant future:
I found someone in the EU willing to part with a Fifth Gear. This has been on my list for a long time, but I could never get myself to buy one from the States, then have it shipped over the pond and pay import tax, which quickly totals a pedal that sells for $150 to €200+ I hope we reach an agreement so I can finally get my hands on it.
So to all those who recommended that pedal: I'm working on it!


Also that CMC Audio Prototype Bass Overdrive (PROTO TYPE Bass Overdrive - Blue Steel) sounds exciting, I'd like to try one.
 
I don't know your board, but sometimes a normal sized pedal with top jacks takes up the same real estate than a mini - would that be an option for you?

I recently learned about the JPTR FX Jive, and they did build a nano version of that for a short while. I have no idea why they stopped, though - but those that got out are out there.

Your plan IS sound, using the UA on the edge and then pushing it over with something a little stronger is something the Sushi Box does well IME.

I appreciate the feedback! Alas, it almost certainly will have to be a nano enclosure. If I had a bunch of top-loaded pedals, I could likely get more creative, but I am trying to work within my current constraints. I don't wanna hijack your thread, but I'll post a current pic of the board for reference (although calling this teeny tiny PT Nano a "board" compared to what some of you lads are running these days feels disingenuous!). The *long-term* plan is a new board altogether, but I am not opening that particular wormhole just yet! All of my projects are still using amps on stage, so my needs with comp/EQ/preamps etc. remain incredibly modest for now, and the only effects I like to use are OD, sub-octave, and envelope filter. To that end, this board really is doing the trick as-is!

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So, the plan is that my current OD (that custom-built "Farewell to Cleans") is gonna make way, and the UA will snug right up next to the IE Subterranea. With that space opened up, there isn't *quite* enough room to run another standard-size top-loaded pedal (I have measured extensively), but if I push the Polytune up as far as it can go, I would have room to fit a nano-sized pedal sideways in the bottom-right corner of the board. That is the medium-term plan. Luckily, I don't currently play in any projects which require anything more than light OD, so I will sit tight with just the UA for a while after this tour, and then really start to do some digging on my nano options.

I really like this custom OD pedal, and I've had it forever, so a bit sad to be putting it on the bench soon. It will 100% be back once I get that bigger board! But I've realized it lacks a bit of subtlety at the lowest gain settings, hence why I went for a UA. This guy will be used as a heavy OD/nearly-fuzz once it comes back, which is truly what it was meant for!
 
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I've not experienced one firsthand, but the EWS Stormy bass drive looks promising, for a mini.

Just looked into that one. Interesting indeed! Definitely seems to get pretty hairy pretty quickly, though. By about 10 o'clock on the gain knob, it seems to be into full out overdrive/distortion. Probably gonna be hard to get my hands on one, but I'll definitely keep my eyes peeled. Thanks!
 
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I appreciate the feedback! Alas, it almost certainly will have to be a nano enclosure. If I had a bunch of top-loaded pedals, I could likely get more creative, but I am trying to work within my current constraints. I don't wanna hijack your thread, but I'll post a current pic of the board for reference (although calling this teeny tiny PT Nano a "board" compared to what some of you lads are running these days feels disingenuous!). The *long-term* plan is a new board altogether, but I am not opening that particular wormhole just yet! All of my projects are still using amps on stage, so my needs with comp/EQ/preamps etc. remain incredibly modest for now, and the only effects I like to use are OD, sub-octave, and envelope filter. To that end, this board really is doing the trick as-is!

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So, the plan is that my current OD (that custom-built "Farewell to Cleans") is gonna make way, and the UA will snug right up next to the IE Subterranea. With that space opened up, there isn't *quite* enough room to run another standard-size top-loaded pedal (I have measured extensively), but if I push the Polytune up as far as it can go, I would have room to fit a nano-sized pedal sideways in the bottom-right corner of the board. That is the medium-term plan. Luckily, I don't currently play in any projects which require anything more than light OD, so I will sit tight with just the UA for a while after this tour, and then really start to do some digging on my nano options.

I really like this custom OD pedal, and I've had it forever, so a bit sad to be putting it on the bench soon. It will 100% be back once I get that bigger board! But I've realized it lacks a bit of subtlety at the lowest gain settings, hence why I went for a UA. This guy will be used as a heavy OD/nearly-fuzz once it comes back, which is truly what it was meant for!


So we're starting by throwing around wild accusations and then hijacking the thread. What will be next? A letter from your lawyer with a cease&desist? A court order telling me to keep a 100ft distance to the Dirt Bender Jounal at all times ?


Well, concerning the problem at hand, I can clearly see that yours is too short! ;-)

Option 1: Upgrading to a Nano+. These are not much bigger, but give you that extra bit that makes your choices easier.
Option 2: I don't know how the underside of your board looks, but could it be a possibility to move the HPF there - provided you have it as an always on pedal more or less set to a fixed frequency.
Option 3: Just make it fit. Your Farewell To Cleans looks like a standard Hammond enclosure with a width of 91mm. If you're using very flat angled jacks, they stick out around 13mm to each side, which means a total of 116mm. The UA is 65mm wide. Another pedal with the same dimensions and top jacks would mean you had 130mm, a difference of 14mm. That could be doable.

OTOH, there are many boosters out there in micro format. . .
 
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So we're starting by throwing around wild accusations and then hijacking the thread. What will be next? A letter from your lawyer with a cease&desist? A court order telling me to keep a 100ft distance to the Dirt Bender Jounal at all times ?

I'd be willing to settle out of court. I think you'll find my demands are... quite modest.


Well, concerning the problem at hand, I can clearly see that yours is too short! ;-)

Hey man, speaking of wild accusations, it's not the size, but rather how you jam stuff in there that really counts. Duh!

Option 1: Upgrading to a Nano+. These are not much bigger, but give you that extra bit that makes your choices easier.
Option 2: I don't know how the underside of your board looks, but could it be a possibility to move the HPF there - provided you have it as an always on pedal more or less set to a fixed frequency.
Option 3: Just make it fit. Your Farewell To Cleans looks like a standard Hammond enclosure with a width of 91mm. If you're using very flat angled jacks, they stick out around 13mm to each side, which means a total of 116mm. The UA is 65mm wide. Another pedal with the same dimensions and top jacks would mean you had 130mm, a difference of 14mm. That could be doable.

OTOH, there are many boosters out there in micro format. . .

Really appreciate your thoughts, my dude; definitely giving me plenty to contemplate. Now that I've finally given my board a full reshuffle (once the UA gets here, it'll be an entirely new set of pedals since December), I've realized that what the Farewell gives me is great live functionality and clean fundamental (cruelly ironic, given what I named it); it's basically a super quick n dirty stereo signal, with the dry sound as a parallel signal to the gain, and with an independent volume knob. It is also capable of nearly venturing into thick, fuzzy territory, and has a great range of mid-to-full distortion tones. What it doesn't give me is tube, or tube-like warmth, which is a sound I really enjoy.

For the foreseeable future, I don't really require the heavy distortion or fuzz-ish tones from the Farewell. What I'd love is to hit the front end of my Mesa with some real warm tube character, something I feel confident the UA is going to provide; I'm very used to both the Orange preamp, and Fender tone stack sounds personally, which I know the pedal is modelled from. I think a versatile drive/boost which is capable of a much broader range of mild OD (as compared with the Farewell) is the ticket, especially if it's nano. I busted out the tape measure again, and am confident I can finagle one onto this current board in a tidy and easy-to-use fashion. We'll see how the hunt goes, but that is feeling like the best way forward right now. I'll give everything you've said a think, though!

I also now realize, at the end of this novel, that I really *am* in danger of hijacking this thread. My sincere apologies. This is your Jounal, not my Jounal!

For now :whistle:
 
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Hey man, speaking of wild accusations, it's not the size, but rather how you jam stuff in there that really counts. Duh!

Yeah, you're right. If your's is small and you don't want to enlarge your P.(edalboard)
You gotta live with having a small booster as well. I'd look into the TC Spark and the Xcotic EP Booster first.
They are rare here in Germany where they have been made and I don't know if many made it off country, but there is the JPTR FX mini Jive.
I hope to enrich this thread with my first impressions of the big version tonight.
 
They are rare here in Germany where they have been made and I don't know if many made it off country, but there is the JPTR FX mini Jive.

I was recently looking into the JPTR FX Micro Jive and also got the opportunity to buy one, which I did. I was just looking for a device which adds some grit or saturation as the name of the pedal promises. I wanted the micro version since I don’t need the other clipping diodes which can be added in the full version. The saturation is very nice, in my opinion sounding more ‚tubier‘ than e.g. the TC Spark.

There‘s a big ‚but‘ for the micro version and that is the missing master volume. The output is very hot and for my setup completely unusable without adding some device which immediately lowers the level again. So the micro is a real booster which already has preamp level to directly drive a power amp but that’s not what I was looking for, so I‘ll get the full version instead.

I‘m excited to hear what you‘ll write about the sound. Just wanted to give you a heads up, that the master volume knob in my opinion is a must for the Jive and that the tempting small form factor of the micro also has a downside.
 
I was recently looking into the JPTR FX Micro Jive and also got the opportunity to buy one, which I did. I was just looking for a device which adds some grit or saturation as the name of the pedal promises. I wanted the micro version since I don’t need the other clipping diodes which can be added in the full version. The saturation is very nice, in my opinion sounding more ‚tubier‘ than e.g. the TC Spark.

There‘s a big ‚but‘ for the micro version and that is the missing master volume. The output is very hot and for my setup completely unusable without adding some device which immediately lowers the level again. So the micro is a real booster which already has preamp level to directly drive a power amp but that’s not what I was looking for, so I‘ll get the full version instead.

I‘m excited to hear what you‘ll write about the sound. Just wanted to give you a heads up, that the master volume knob in my opinion is a must for the Jive and that the tempting small form factor of the micro also has a downside.

There is no trim pot or dip switches on the inside?
 
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JPTR FX Jive.

When I got to test it, I put it in front of my pedal board, so I could A/B it with the Saturn VI that sits right next to it. In that position, I would have liked a bit more dirt on tap, without having to resort to the clipping diodes.
Disclaimer
I play a J style 6 string that does not have a hot output and to make things worse for any kind of dirt pedal, I use well worn flats.
With the gain dimed, I was getting some hair, but that felt more like a hair on the upper lip of a 14 year old trying to pass for 16 than a hair on 1965's Sean Connery's chest.
I moved it to the hotter section of my pedal board, after the comp, and there it was!

First, I need to get this off my chest: The clipping diodes did not, in any way tickle my fancy. The mids get quite compressed and stand out a lot, and I could not tell if there is bass loss of if the mids are so much in the foreground that you dial back on the master and only perceive a bass loss - also the clipping felt a bit crude and artificial, but not in a good way. YMMV.

But that is all the 'bad' I could find so far. Gregor from the BassTheWorld YT channel was raving about this pedal, and he did not care about the diodes, either. So proceed with all the switches to the left:
With more signal pushing into the Jive, the point of breakup moves to a comfortable position on the gain knob.
Since I was in A/B comparing mode, I did try and capture my favorite settings from the Saturn VI yet again and play both pedals against each other. I tried to have them sit in a spot where soft playing gives me lows so clear that you can't really hear any dirt when playing with a drum backing track, but digging in pushes it past breakup.
Both pedals can do that exceptionally well, but they feel differently.
The Saturn VI is able to add a bit more treble, giving the harmonics more sparkle. It feels a bit sleeker and a lot more sophisticated. It is the overdrive you want to use in a library or in an expensive book store.
The Jive has a very different attitude. I don't know the English term for the leisure activity where you take a can of cold malt&hops ambrosia, pierce the lower part of the sidewall with a sharp object, raise it to your lips, crack it open and try to survive the next two seconds, but when the Saturn VI is sipping fine wine, the Jive is that activity.
Both will eventually get you to the same result (they chase away the sobriety), but there are differences.
I noticed that the Jive feels like it compresses or even pushes the mids a bit. I had to carefully balance gain and volume to the spot where there is no jump in volume, but the lows stay intact. I don't think it siphons off your low end, but it certainly makes your midrange stick out a bit more once you get some drive going, and that squeezes you through the mix.

Playing the Saturn VI into the Jive left me grinning from ear to ear and maybe even salivating a little on the floor. Take a very touch sensitive boost that doubles as a very low gain overdrive and play it into another such device - I don't know if the result strictly has to be that you go from touch sensitive to touch sensitive², but this pair certainly did it. I got from clean sounds when playing softly to massive grind when digging in and everything between that at the tips of my fingers. The Saturn feeds the Jive more treble, which alters the texture of the Jive's breakup and the result is something I could very well live with.

I set the gain on the Jive a bit higher, so I don't have two different flavors of the same thing and this left me with a slight harmonic enrichment drive so sophisticated it spreads the pinky away from the glass, a more down to business dirtier dirt tone with some attitude, and solid drive with both pedals active.

That's the point where I should probably mention that between the Saturn and the Jive, I not only have my compressor, but also another pedal. One that I tried to sell on reverb once, but it got removed because there is a drawing of an injured bodypart. One that only those born with a Y chromosome have. The Broke Dick Peanut Gallery. Those who know that pedal know that it can do magic in combo with dirt pedals. All three of them on, and I want to play stonersludgedoom. It's thicc.

I will have to explore the possibilities a bit deeper, but for now, I really like what I'm getting.

And I understand how people claim that everyone should have a Jive.
It really is one of those pedals like the Hudson Broadcast or the Fairfield Barbershop or of course the Saturn VI,
where you want to dial in a low gain setting and leave it on all the time because it just makes things better.
 

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