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My favorite oxymoron.

Factual opinion (seen recently on a TB post).
I've got to reply to that. As is becoming obvious, it is perfectly possible to have an opinion that is not based on any facts. Many opinions contain a good dose of hunch or just plain prejudice. It is necessary to state that an opinion is "fact based" these days. "Fact based" is a new shorthand that's developed to save time.
Also the person who had an issue with "century storm", they just don't understand the concept. It just means that these things usually happen once a century on average. How often does a cat 4 storm sit on Texas for a week? Oh, happens once every 400 years or so... Except for when the previous pattern is no longer in effect...
 
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I've got to reply to that. As is becoming obvious, it is perfectly possible to have an opinion that is not based on any facts. Many opinions contain a good dose of hunch or just plain prejudice. It is necessary to state that an opinion is "fact based" these days. "Fact based" is a new shorthand that's developed to save time.
I'm willing to accept that "fact-based opinion" is a meaningful and reasonable phrase, but I think "factual opinion" is oxymoronic.
 
I've got to reply to that. As is becoming obvious, it is perfectly possible to have an opinion that is not based on any facts. Many opinions contain a good dose of hunch or just plain prejudice. It is necessary to state that an opinion is "fact based" these days. "Fact based" is a new shorthand that's developed to save time.
Also the person who had an issue with "century storm", they just don't understand the concept. It just means that these things usually happen once a century on average. How often does a cat 4 storm sit on Texas for a week? Oh, happens once every 400 years or so... Except for when the previous pattern is no longer in effect...
To me, it’s always been obvious that opinions are not necessarily based on fact, but even if they are it is always true that an opinion does not EQUAL fact. The concepts cannot be conflated.

With all respect to the poster who used the phrase "factual opinion," I believe it was simply a case of careless English and he/she actually meant "fact-based."
 
"Factual opinion"... I think "educated opinion" might be better. Like the commonly used "educated guess". If you're talking about weather patterns and the like, that's about all you can do anyway.

I think sometimes opinion isn't always that. For example if I say "bass is the most fun instrument to play" then that's opinion. But if I say "bass is my favorite instrument to play" then that's a fact.

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"This program was previously recorded."
This program was recorded----- no need to mention "previously". "Was ........ed" takes care of that.
No, you're missing the entire point - they're trying to tell you it was recorded prior to the events recorded actually recurring. :wacky:
 
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Yours is a redundancy, not an oxymoron. Note they are now SDS sheets, the M has been dropped.

"False fact" is a contradiction of terms (oxymoron), "true fact" is redundant; a fact is inherently true.
to misquote foghorn leghorn: you say, you say.
I've reviewed several Msds-sds and found many have data that say in many places that effectively say no data, so the data is no data.
 
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I'm willing to accept that "fact-based opinion" is a meaningful and reasonable phrase, but I think "factual opinion" is oxymoronic.
I later realized that point. Opinions and facts are two different beasts. But I still think that it's natural to want to point out that your opinion is fact based. You want to distinguish it from those other non-fact-based opinions that have been running around.
 
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"False fact" is a contradiction of terms (oxymoron), "true fact" is redundant; a fact is inherently true.
No, that's a case of the changing definition of the word "fact", a noun, in how it's used. These days a "fact" has become a slogan or a item in a list used in media. Many of these "facts" are in fact, untrue, half true or a total matter of perspective, having blinders on, so this is an attempt to debunk the "false fact" as slogan.
 
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