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My first Smith... a long journey.

Apr 2, 2004
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I just got my first Smith bass, a CR5MW. It has been a long journey and I'd like to talk about it a bit.
My first experience with a Smith bass dates back on October 2003 as I was in NYC during my honeymoon. At that time I was pretty into J basses and was already set on buying a Sadowsky which I did. While there I went to Sam Ash at 48th street and spent some time playing some of the beauties on the wall. I tried a Fodera VW standard (the bolt on ... nice bass) and a 5 strings bolt on Smith. I was really surprised by the ease of playablity of the Smith. At that time I hadn't any experience with 5 strings but that Smith impressed me mainly for its neck. It fitted like a glove and I remember playin' it and thinking "wow .... is that me?". But I was set on buying a Sadowsky and the guy that was at Sam Ash didn't help me to look more into the Smith. Money went down to Jay Street.
Years have passed and basses as well. Owned some nice ones: another Sadowsky, couple of nice Fenders, a custom made Bordwell till a currently owned Carl Thompson. As I grabbed the Thompson at Carl's shop I placed an order for another one so I'm on the list again. Since the first one is a 4 strings I was trying to make my mind about having this second CT built as a 5 or even a 6 strings. So I bought a dirty cheap used Yamaha Trb 6 and also went in every music shop in my town playin every 5er or 6er I could put my hands on. Until in one shop I had my second Smith meet up.
This time it was a 5 strings Burner from the '90 and I still have tears in my eyes thinking at the condition of that bass. It was full of tiny scratches from showroom playing, set up was totally a mess, the four screws that bolt the neck were completely covered of rust, strings were totally dead and rusted as well. Would you believe they asked for it 2400 euros (that's kinda 3500 bucks, guys)?
But even in those conditions that bass told something to me. Strings spacing was tight but the neck profile made me flying 8 years back to that Smith at Sam Ash. Also I fell in love with the vintage body shape.
But now ... to my CR5MW!

It happened last month that a friend wishing to thanks me for organizing his tryp to the States (I'm a Travel Agent by day job) told me "if you manage to buy a bass and have it shipped to my last stop in the States I'll bring it to you". I think " Hell, why not ... I could save shipping and italian taxes and duties... maybe it's time to look deeper into this Smith thing!"
I had a look at Bass Central website and focused myself on two Smiths, the one that I bought and a Black Tiger 5. They gave me a nice price for the Black Tiger but they went beyond my expectations on the bolt-on CR5MW. I really couldn't pass on this!
Well, bass is here now and I want just to tell you (mainly for the guys that don't own a Smith and are toying with the idea of buying one) a couple of things:
You could tell about Mr. Smith love for superbly crafted old Italian and European double basses from the past centuries just by looking at his electric basses. Because like those old beauties his basses show perfection on every detail and a natural sober elegance. A class all of its own. Something pretty rare these days...
The neck is for me, once again, a glove. Never, never, never saw a fret job like this. Impeccable, like everything on this instrument. The bass balances perfectly sitting or standing (despite all the talk about different body shapes).
Regarding sound, I'll write something else as I'll become more familiar with the instrument. For now I just mention the two things that immediately hit me: an incredible deep growl coupled with a presence and a complexity in the hi- mids never experienced before. Notes in the upper register make me think of bullets against a big brass bell.
I'll try to take some nice pictures of the beauty and post 'em. Stay tuned...
 
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Congrats on the new bass. Looks great! :-)

Now, please don't take this the wrong way, but I also have a recent Ken Smith experience that I'd like to share.

I completely agree with you that the build quality is impeccable. I love everything about playing that bass (BSR5M, BTW), and when sitting at home playing the bass, it has a nice crisp and modern tone that I liked. When soloing the neck pup, it kinda gave me a P-flavor (modern, but P-ish). I had high hopes for this bass...

However, when I brought it on a real-world gig, it failed miserably. Completely drowned in the mix. To cut just a little bit through, I had to boost the miss so much that the bass now sounded like it was made of cardboard and not wood. The rig I used was my RH750/RS210/RS212 TC stack.

I gave it another chance on my next gig as I figured, that it might have been the room, and this time I also brought my always-trusty SR5 as backup. Same story, only after the first three songs, I switched bass and everything fell into place and sounded great.

Sorry for talking negatively about a brand that you like - in your thread - but I just needed to share as I had the same feeling you describe about the Smith bass - until I gave it a spin in the real world. I may have been unlucky as I have heard many others love the tone of Smith basses in a live setting, though.

I definitely hope that you will love the tone of your Smith when you get it on a gig ;-)
 
Congrats on the new bass. Looks great! :-)

Now, please don't take this the wrong way, but I also have a recent Ken Smith experience that I'd like to share.

I completely agree with you that the build quality is impeccable. I love everything about playing that bass (BSR5M, BTW), and when sitting at home playing the bass, it has a nice crisp and modern tone that I liked. When soloing the neck pup, it kinda gave me a P-flavor (modern, but P-ish). I had high hopes for this bass...

However, when I brought it on a real-world gig, it failed miserably. Completely drowned in the mix. To cut just a little bit through, I had to boost the miss so much that the bass now sounded like it was made of cardboard and not wood. The rig I used was my RH750/RS210/RS212 TC stack.

I gave it another chance on my next gig as I figured, that it might have been the room, and this time I also brought my always-trusty SR5 as backup. Same story, only after the first three songs, I switched bass and everything fell into place and sounded great.

Sorry for talking negatively about a brand that you like - in your thread - but I just needed to share as I had the same feeling you describe about the Smith bass - until I gave it a spin in the real world. I may have been unlucky as I have heard many others love the tone of Smith basses in a live setting, though.

I definitely hope that you will love the tone of your Smith when you get it on a gig ;-)

I have never had any problems with my Smith cutting through the mix! I play in a contemporary gospel choir that includes a Leslie organ. Playing through my EA Micro 300 amp and Phil Jones Bass 6B Neo cab, my Black Tiger 5 cuts like a torch!

A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste! :cool:
 
I have never had any problems with my Smith cutting through the mix! I play in a contemporary gospel choir that includes a Leslie organ. Playing through my EA Micro 300 amp and Phil Jones Bass 6B Neo cab, my Black Tiger 5 cuts like a torch!

A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste! :cool:

Good for you, my friend. Good for you. I know Smith ain't for me, but I am glad others like them.
Different folks, different strokes. Diversity is good!
 
if person 'A' here has/had a neck-through, and if person 'B' has a bolt on.

Just wondering.

Cheers,
Cameron


Congrats on the new bass. Looks great! :-)

Now, please don't take this the wrong way, but I also have a recent Ken Smith experience that I'd like to share.

I completely agree with you that the build quality is impeccable. I love everything about playing that bass (BSR5M, BTW), and when sitting at home playing the bass, it has a nice crisp and modern tone that I liked. When soloing the neck pup, it kinda gave me a P-flavor (modern, but P-ish). I had high hopes for this bass...

However, when I brought it on a real-world gig, it failed miserably. Completely drowned in the mix. To cut just a little bit through, I had to boost the miss so much that the bass now sounded like it was made of cardboard and not wood. The rig I used was my RH750/RS210/RS212 TC stack.

I gave it another chance on my next gig as I figured, that it might have been the room, and this time I also brought my always-trusty SR5 as backup. Same story, only after the first three songs, I switched bass and everything fell into place and sounded great.

Sorry for talking negatively about a brand that you like - in your thread - but I just needed to share as I had the same feeling you describe about the Smith bass - until I gave it a spin in the real world. I may have been unlucky as I have heard many others love the tone of Smith basses in a live setting, though.

I definitely hope that you will love the tone of your Smith when you get it on a gig ;-)

I have never had any problems with my Smith cutting through the mix! I play in a contemporary gospel choir that includes a Leslie organ. Playing through my EA Micro 300 amp and Phil Jones Bass 6B Neo cab, my Black Tiger 5 cuts like a torch!

A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste! :cool:
 
One of the best sounding basses I have ever played was an older Smith 6. It was a beast of a bass both tonally and also the size and weight. I strongly regret not buying it as that tone is exactly what I hear when I think of a 5 string. Growly, clear, present. I think my next bass might just be a Smith. The bread isnt here at the moment though!

Your bass looks stunning. An excellent example of a Ken Smith bass!
 
I would be really surprised if this bass wouldn't cut through like a knife givin' its tremendous presence in the hi-mids region. I must also add that the EQ is extremely powerful and effective. So I'm pretty confident it could fill in very nicely in a real world situation. At least I hope so! :D
 
I would be really surprised if this bass wouldn't cut through like a knife givin' its tremendous presence in the hi-mids region. I must also add that the EQ is extremely powerful and effective. So I'm pretty confident it could fill in very nicely in a real world situation. At least I hope so! :D

It will cut through just fine. If Ken Smiths were only pretty basses that only sounded good in a show room, they would have gone away by now.

I think most problems with basses not cutting through have more to do with bad amp eq PA issues than the bass itself.
 
I found with my Smith that, while it cut through, and sounded beautiful in the upper regions but was not quite fat enough in the low end. It did not provide the full bottom required especially in and RnB setting. It is quite likely that its a combination of my fingers and my amp. I have a feeling that through a different amp and different player it would sound great. The instruments were perfect for jazz for me. You have a fantastic instrument and I hope you enjoy it!
 
I think most problems with basses not cutting through have more to do with bad amp eq PA issues than the bass itself.

I don't agree. It may well be true in some cases, but the when I brought along my Smith, I always brought one of my two 'reference' basses a Fender P and an SR5. I know these are completely different basses (all three of them), but either a bass cuts through - or it doesn't, IMO.

I tested the Smith against the P and the SR using the exact same rig in the exact same room. The first night, I really tried to give the Smith a chance and - true - the onboard EQ is quite powerful and versatile, but no matter what, it always sounded either bland (and didn't cut through) or it cut through and sounded awful. After two sets, I began to think that maybe it was the room that was particularly tricky, but I decided to give the P a go anyway in the third set. Voila! Everything was good again.

Again, I know you can't compare a Smith with a P 1:1. They are entirely different beasts, BUT as I said, IMO, either it cuts, or it doesn't. Maybe the particular Smith bass that I had was a dog, but it did not cut unless it was tweaked massively on the preamp - and no good bass needs that much help, and as I mentioned, the tonal result from working the pre that much was less than pleasant.

Just IMO/IMO. $0.02
 
michele - congrats on the new bass! its beautiful! you will LOVE it the more you play it!



As far as these not cutting through in the mix... I have probably played Smiths in some of the "harder" styles than most Smith owners, never had a problem...

This was recorded in 97, my old band: (SWR Super RedHead & Direct)
ESTRANGEMENT - CROOKED SMILE - YouTube

This was in 2000: (Direct and some 2x15 Acoustic rig that was in Sound City Studio's)
Vanilla Ice ft Josh Brainard + Roy Mayorga Primal Side - YouTube
 
Because of the vast majority of clips on youtube (you know... all those guys slappin and poppin :D) I had similar concerns.
Then I saw this:


Massive Attack - Teardrop (Live From Abbey Road) - YouTube




I found with my Smith that, while it cut through, and sounded beautiful in the upper regions but was not quite fat enough in the low end. It did not provide the full bottom required especially in and RnB setting. It is quite likely that its a combination of my fingers and my amp. I have a feeling that through a different amp and different player it would sound great. The instruments were perfect for jazz for me. You have a fantastic instrument and I hope you enjoy it!
 
Metalstorm:

Nice! Hard to hear the mix, sounds like on board camera mic...

6 string fretless?

Very cool!!!

One of these days I will get around to putting my old bands album on youtube... a couple of tracks I am on my BSR6EG Fretless, sounds great for slapping too!!!

(This tune has got to test your endurance huh?!)
 
Interesting what folks say about Ken Smiths not cutting through in the mix. I bought a 1995 CR-5 (Zebrawood/mahogany/ebony), and right now am watching a video of last night's show w/12 piece band + horn section: CR5 + Markbass F1 + Ampeg SVT 810.

It simply kills. Saws through the mix, growls, big time low end, every note just hugely...there. And slapping? Forget it; perfect. I am so freaking HAPPY. Had no idea it sounded this good out front.