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My friend is on dirt

Good news on my friend. He finally kicked his addiction and has been clean for about a month now. What ultimately triggered his need to stop was that two of his friends from his childhood, who were also users, died from overdoses back in late April (separate incidents).

He's been coming around and hanging out with our mutual group of friends whenever we go out, and he's looking A LOT better. He has also signed up for more schooling in the fall and he plans to go into nursing. To say the least, I'm really happy for him and I hope he has finally kicked his demons.
 
Thats really effing good to hear! Im always glad to hear of anyone overcoming such a destructive habit!

Thanks, Matt. I'm really glad to hear it, too. I just hope it's permanent this time around and that he won't fall back into it once the summer is over and most of his friends head back off to school - which is part of the reason why I think he got back on the stuff in the first place.
 
Good news on my friend. He finally kicked his addiction and has been clean for about a month now. What ultimately triggered his need to stop was that two of his friends from his childhood, who were also users, died from overdoses back in late April (separate incidents).

He's been coming around and hanging out with our mutual group of friends whenever we go out, and he's looking A LOT better. He has also signed up for more schooling in the fall and he plans to go into nursing. To say the least, I'm really happy for him and I hope he has finally kicked his demons.

This is the kind of news I like reading. :)

He'll likely need moral support for quite a while yet. Addiction is a true nemesis.
 
Jmatt, look into Suboxone (beuoenephrine) (Subutex) for your friend. And then show him.

Betty Ford clinic uses it, it is by far a saving grace. For opioid addicts.

It actually blocks the opioid from getting the person high when taken properly. It also almost eliminates all Symptoms of withdrawal.
It has a higher success rate than anything on the market that I've seen.

And just my experience, I've NEVER seen, heard, or known of ANY opioid addict to be able to flat out quit voluntarily in a month or two.
Unless it was seriously just a recreational thing which is almost unheard of in itself.

This isn't something you just up and decide to walk away from because your life sucks and your friends aren't talking to you.
The first 2 weeks is similar to having the worst flu you can possibly imagine, with every nasty flu symptom there is, then times that by like ten.
Your body feels like its been run over by a Mac truck twice and then backed over for safe measure.
People don't just say yeah life really isn't good right now so I'm stopping. Well many do and then by day 2 or 3 (if they're that strong)
Rolls around and typically the want to feel better is beyond control. This is where most go out and over do it and die.

If you really care about this guy I'd highly recommend you talk him into seeking out a Suboxone clinic, if he's definitely WANTING to stop. And also a good bit of counseling.

Once he learns to be sober again which is a process in itself that can take years , depending.
He's gonna be the same person he was before the drugs, with the same issues, the same whatever that lead him down that path.
It may be okay now but one day soon things will get bad and someone will be there with a bag and a needle.
This isn't to rain on your parade at all.
This is me handing you a really nice umbrella and letting you know there's a sh!+ storm a comin' and your gonna need everything you can to block it from getting all over you.

Most addicts must hit absolute rock bottom to even really want to change, and by the time they do there's so many innocent people sitting there wondering where they went wrong.

Don't let him pull you down with him.
The best thing you can possibly do for an addict is completely shut them out 100%
No calls, no help, no friendship, no money, no rides, no NOTHING.
Demand total sobriety or NOTHING.

Anything you do beyond NOTHING and you are enabling him. Even if it's simple stuff. And it all adds up to his addiction lasting longer.

Your job as a friend is to help Rock Bottom along as best as you can. That's the only way to help an addict.

Unless you are a therapist, mental health and or behavioral medicine specialist, LCSW, psychiatrist, drug and alcohol recovery specialist/ counselor, etc.
There is NOTHING you can do to help except nothing. Again demand sobriety with the only negotiation being all or nothing. No second chance no do overs.

Good luck, I hope he really has started to clean up, but if he was any kind of regular user it's just not likely it's true or will last if it is. Sorry I'm trying to be realistic here.
 
This thread has really hit home with me. Ten years ago, my nephew had one relapse after being clean for three years. They found him dead in the bathroom the following morning. Heroin is the worst. I wish nothing but the best for your friend. I hope he gets through this. Please keep us updated on his progress.
 
The only input I would add is that he may be clean now, but if he wants it to be lasting he needs to have a coping mechanism in place before hand. Life will take a down swing. It's life after all, what he needs is a way to see past the hard spot. I'd certainly talk to him about it. Put it at the front of his mind any way. If he can make a workable plan of action, he has a real shot at staying clean.
 
Sadly I have had way to much exeperience with this. I have been clean and sober for a long time but not on my own. I reached point in my life where it was going to be suicide or get cleaned up. I hated myself and everyone else, I was sick miserable and losing my sanity. I chose to seek help with 12 step groups.
You can try intervetnion and all the other things mentioned but ultilmately your friend will have to decide that being clean and sober is more important than anything in his life. Then he has to surrender to the fact that he can't do it on his own and admit that he is an addict.
There are alanon meeting that might help you. I had one friend who I had to let go. He was a great guy when he was clean but as soon as he started using he became a whole different person. I immeadialty took back my guitar because I knew it would be gone soon if I didn't. I gave him money, coached him and set it up where he could walk right in to the best recovery house (IMHOP) in San Francisco. He didn't want to because he didn't want to lose his truck, his flat, his relationship with his daughter, blah ,blah, blah. At that point I told him I loved him and that I would always be his friend. I told him that I realeased him to live his life as he wanted and I wouldn't interfere or help anymore. All those things he didn't want to lose are now gone, plus his health. I still see him and take him out to lunch and pray for him but that is all I can do at this point. It is makes me really sad but there is nothing I can do. I have lots more stories etc, but I have already gone on too long as it is.
The best you can do is release him with love.
 
Good news on my friend. He finally kicked his addiction and has been clean for about a month now. What ultimately triggered his need to stop was that two of his friends from his childhood, who were also users, died from overdoses back in late April (separate incidents).

He's been coming around and hanging out with our mutual group of friends whenever we go out, and he's looking A LOT better. He has also signed up for more schooling in the fall and he plans to go into nursing. To say the least, I'm really happy for him and I hope he has finally kicked his demons.

That's awesome, I thought I read the whole thread before posting, but I missed a lot. :o It's great that he is hanging out with people who are clean. Keep in mind that a drug is a drug whether it comes in a needle, a pill, a bag or a bottle. Most addicts should stay away from all mind altering substances. It is your choice to decide if you want to drink when you are around him. I once heard someone say that "Changing from drugs to alchohol is like changing seats on the Titanic."
Im really happy for you and your friend.