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My New Studio Build (perhaps overly detailed)

I wasn't really soliciting feedback, but since you posted some:

The goal was to have it be a single page site. I don't want a bunch of pages for people to navigate. In reviewing other studio websites I realized that the extent of the information I would care about can easily fit on one page (who are you? what type of work do you do? where are you located? how do you do your rates? can I hear examples of your work? what do your clients say about you?). The only part of mine, structurally, that I don't like is the social media buttons at the top which were placed more as a filler against the white space next to my logo than anything. One of my next updates will be to find a sweet spot for the size of the logo which is currently a little large and creating too much white space. That and fixing the metadata so it doesn't list as index.html.

Regarding the gear list: I get that some people want to see that, but I'm not putting one up. More often than not the people who want to see that list don't know enough about the gear to understand anything useful about it, or what's worse is they will have had a bad experience with a piece of gear in the past and then they'll be biased against it. Andrew Scheps talks about this when using an LA2A and having a mix comment come back saying that they've never gotten good results on an LA2A so please use something different. Did it sound good in the mix? Who cares, they don't like an LA2A so they want something different. It introduces a bias and a "listening with your eyes" context that I want to avoid.
 
How to get rid of the social media filler at the top that you don’t like.

You could remove your image at the top, replace it with your logo scaled down a bit. The line “Who We Are” doesn’t need to be there, the text makes it obvious.

With the image of you at the desk, add a caption identifying yourself.
 
I haven’t posted an update in a while. Fortunately an early Christmas present to myself arrived today so I have something to talk about. It’s new microphone day!

I’ve been wanting something with the vibe of a Sony C800G but didn’t want to drop $10,000-16,000 on a used one. I was unimpressed by the WARM and GAP clones. Advanced Audio from Canada makes a very highly regarded clone called the CM800T. After hearing some comparison files I decided to give it a shot. It showed up today in a nice case along with the power supply (it’s a tube mic), shockmount, wind sock, power cable and the special XLR that goes between the mic and the power supply. Now I just need to go do some work so I can try it.

I should note that I had a borrowed Manley Tube Reference mic for a few weeks that nailed the vibe but was limited to a single pole pattern and clocks in north of $3,000 so I decided against it.

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I haven’t posted an update in a while. Fortunately an early Christmas present to myself arrived today so I have something to talk about. It’s new microphone day!

I’ve been wanting something with the vibe of a Sony C800G but didn’t want to drop $10,000-16,000 on a used one. I was unimpressed by the WARM and GAP clones. Advanced Audio from Canada makes a very highly regarded clone called the CM800T. After hearing some comparison files I decided to give it a shot. It showed up today in a nice case along with the power supply (it’s a tube mic), shockmount, wind sock, power cable and the special XLR that goes between the mic and the power supply. Now I just need to go do some work so I can try it.

I should note that I had a borrowed Manley Tube Reference mic for a few weeks that nailed the vibe but was limited to a single pole pattern and clocks in north of $3,000 so I decided against it.

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I hope that you post you audio impressions. Their products look very interesting.
 
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Which dock? The S1?
It is the iPad Dock. I have been using the EUCON iPad app and really like it, but I am not all that good with small touch screens. So having tactile controls along with the Avid Control software will be great for me. I will post a review after Christmas. I have it with a high degree of confidence that Santa is bringing it. Mrs Claus is wondering why it cost so much, but I think she knew how bad this good boy wanted it...
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I considered the S1 too. I will discover if I chose correctly.
 
I hope that you post you audio impressions. Their products look very interesting.
Following up on this: I just put the Advanced Audio CM800T through its paces and here are the results:

Vocals - The only vocalist I had available on short notice was myself. I'm an okay singer but you don't want me singing lead for your band. My voice sits in an awkward range that's deeper than the bottom of a tenor but higher than the top of a baritone, and tends to be a little nasal sounding. This limits the usefulness of my vocals to either octave down, fifth below and third below type harmony parts. With that in mind, the CM800T definitely works great on vocals. In cardioid mode it didn't get much of the Sony C800G vibe (think 90s RnB, hiphop and gospel vocal sounds). In cardioid it felt pretty much like any other high quality SDC. Nothing special but a very serviceable sound that could be used in any number of contexts with great success. In omni the C800G magic appeared in spades. Tons of airy, bright, crispy top end with an apparent frequency dip in the upper midrange that simultaneously makes the top end seem smoother and brighter. It's a wonderful sound, but being omni you have to have a good space in which to use it. If you're reading this thread you already know that I have such a space. I absolutely love this sound on vocals that need to be bright in a mix. I'll be using this a lot for that application. It has a similar vibe to the Manley Tube Reference Cardioid I had in here recently, but with a bit less hyping up top and far less sibilance problems. That mic was VERY sibilant, even on vocalists that I don't consider especially sibilant in their delivery. Figure 8 was dark, nasal, boxy, had a gigantic bottom end, and was especially prone to plosives. This is typical of figure 8 patterns, but those qualities seemed to be hyper exaggerated on this mic. More on that as the evaluation continues.

Acoustic Guitar - Bright mics tend to do well with acoustic instruments where picking up all the little details is where the magic happens, so I wanted to try this out. I grabbed my Taylor 214ceQM steel string acoustic guitar and did some finger picking, and then some strumming with a pick. Cardioid was an absolute stunner when finger picking. Everything I want a finger picked acoustic guitar to sound like. When using a pick I found cardioid to be fine, but nothing special. Omni was a little too bright when finger picking and it seemed to over-accentuate the clack of fingers hitting strings. The apparent upper midrange frequency dip made it the ideal setting for acoustic guitar strumming with a nylon pick. It was crispy, bright, present and not at all hash. Super usable setting. The figure 8 setting mimicked its performance on vocals. Not a sound I can see myself using on basically anything.

Percussion - With a shaker and a tambourine I found that cardioid, once again, was usable but nothing all that special compared to other LDCs. Omni was superb with percussion where you want those crispy top end details to shine. Figure 8 was... you can probably guess. Not a fan.

The verdict is that this is an excellent mic. My intended use for it was as a vocal mic to cop a Sony C800G vibe. Seemingly when used in omni it nails this vibe. Its secondary uses for acoustic guitar and percussion definitely shined, and it's nice that I found a use for its cardioid pattern in the process. Figure 8 was a disappointment but I rarely use that pattern anyway so it should be a non-issue. I'm tempted to try to use it as the figure 8 component of a mid-side pair. I typically don't like the sound of mid-side mic'ing but I'm wondering if the dark vibe of this mic's figure 8 pattern would lend itself well to that application to keep the sides from sounding too thin and phasey. Could be a worth a try if I ever decide to put up a mid-side pair during a session.

Compared to my other go-to mics I think it will become my number one for female vocals in non-rock settings, acoustic guitar and percussion. Male vocals in non-rock settings will still likely be done with my D87 and male vocals for rock will almost exclusively be done with my SM7B. If I tracked any of the lead vocals with a dynamic mic then I tend to use a condenser for BVs, or vice versa. This will be a great choice for that, especially if I want the BVs to be brighter than my D87. If I want something to sound super old school I'm still going to reach for my R144, which is an absolute knockout of a ribbon mic that you can buy for less than $100, but anywhere that mic would be appropriate the CM800T would NEVER be appropriate, so it's not really a fair comparison.
 
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It sounds like a good investment. M/S might work with the figure 8 as you said. If what you are hearing as dark is muddy, maybe a damping or pop filter on the back unused figure 8 lobe would help.

I wonder if the manufacturer would have any comments about how to improve the sound. With the figure 8, perhaps a resistor change can help tune it.
 
Hey @silky smoove, how much per square foot did you pay for your room? I'm in kind of a similar situation, bought a house last summer, although in my case it's going to be a 430ish square foot garage renovation rather than a new build. I was hoping to come in around the $30000 mark but the prices being quoted to me are more like $80000+, although this would be hiring a designer to manage the project and involve zero DIY.
 
Hey @silky smoove, how much per square foot did you pay for your room? I'm in kind of a similar situation, bought a house last summer, although in my case it's going to be a 430ish square foot garage renovation rather than a new build. I was hoping to come in around the $30000 mark but the prices being quoted to me are more like $80000+, although this would be hiring a designer to manage the project and involve zero DIY.
I did really bad accounting throughout. My retroactive estimate was $55,000 but keep in mind that that included demolition of an existing single car garage, demolition of an existing 3.5’ tall foundation and retaining wall including rental of a Bobcat, construction of a new foundation and a new structure all before doing a single piece of interior construction. I hired out the painting, gutters and downspouts, electrical, final hookup of the heating and air conditioning, and installation of the sound door. Beyond that I did all of the work myself.

Based on all of the above I ended up paying $163.69/sf (USD) for the finished 336 square foot product, which included no interior furnishings such as gear, furniture, acoustic treatments, etc. That was all accounted for separately.

For your slightly larger space that’s a retrofit of an existing structure I would expect less per square foot, but would also factor the USD to CAD conversion in those calculations as I see you’re in Toronto.
 
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I can tell you this, I recently got a quote for a single car garage, just frame it up and dry it in. No electrical, no interior at all. just the framing, sheathing and doors. The quote came back at $50k.
Post-COVID pricing is absolutely insane, budgets are destroyed, building materials are through the roof, don't expect to find a much cheaper quote.
 
I can tell you this, I recently got a quote for a single car garage, just frame it up and dry it in. No electrical, no interior at all. just the framing, sheathing and doors. The quote came back at $50k.
Post-COVID pricing is absolutely insane, budgets are destroyed, building materials are through the roof, don't expect to find a much cheaper quote.
My stepdad is a general contractor that builds high end custom homes. He’s simultaneously shocked that material prices have gone up so much and that gone construction hasn’t slowed even a little. In fact he’s busier now than any other year he’s run his business.
 
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