OP pointed out that it was agreed upon in the thread. Why would the buyer state a new price, because of traffic, if there wasn't an agreed upon price?
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My New Zero Tolerance Craigslist Attitude.
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OP pointed out that it was agreed upon in the thread. Why would the buyer state a new price, because of traffic, if there wasn't an agreed upon price?
Interesting on 2 counts:
First, interesting that telling someone to **** themselves is a post-worthy action.
Second, interesting that so many people have a problem with said action.
People are so sensitive nowadays. Thick skin is harder and harder to come by. What was once known as standing up for yourself is now too harsh or uneccesary.
Good on you OP for standing up for yourself and not treating an adult like they were a kid who has never heard the f word before.
First, interesting that telling someone to **** themselves is a post-worthy action.
Second, interesting that so many people have a problem with said action.
People are so sensitive nowadays. Thick skin is harder and harder to come by. What was once known as standing up for yourself is now too harsh or uneccesary.
Good on you OP for standing up for yourself and not treating an adult like they were a kid who has never heard the f word before.
A time honored tradition? You have to do better than that. Isn't that pretty much one of the worst reasons to keep doing anything?
"What do you mean we can't beat our wives anymore? It's a time honored tradition!"
"We can't let those people vote or own land! It's a time honored tradition!"
"We want this land and are going to kill all you people already living here because that's a time honored tradition."
Even though you read the op you missed some of the story, the op’r elaborated in later posts.
If he had the stones to ask, it wasn't a joke. He just wanted to break the ice...
Too many ppl posting without reading past posts, it’s like starting a 30 min conversation back at the beginning.
I don’t believe anyone’s getting a rush out of negatiating...
There are many ways to view the world and walk through life depending on the way ones brain is wired and the culture of their circle and society.
Consider these two differing approaches. Neither is the right way, and neither is the wrong way:
1- To view every situation as either black or white. Right or wrong. This or that.
2- To view everything as a shade of grey, or a continuum, and decisions are fluid.
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I have. When I'm already buying something for pennies on the dollar, at what point does it just become greed to try and get away with an even better deal?
"I'm done with Daylight Savings Time. But, it's a time honored tradition."
That's all I got...
This makes sense -- I often wonder how our society got so petty and unproductive, but examples like this explain it. Your philosophy is getting more popular: If you see someone acting like a jerk, you should then ALSO act like a jerk, and even see if you can up the ante. Pretty soon, absolutely everything will suck, and absolutely everyone will be to blame.
I was speaking more in general about the concept of haggling, which I think Bass12 was too. He was stating that haggling, in itself, seemed like generally a cheap and dishonorable practice, ...although not always. I respectfully disagree with that position. I think that haggling is generally a useful negotiation practice that facilitates more trade through fair compromise. We need to practice the art of compromise more in society because we seem to be becoming more polarized and dismissive of other people and their positions whether those positions are financial, political, spiritual or whatever. (Naturally, we can't discuss those last few things here, but hopefully we all recognize the phenomenon)
In this specific case, I think both the buyer and seller have made faux pas in the negotiation process. Initially the seller was demonstrating good faith by honoring his unintentional discount. The buyer agreed and then made a bad faith re-negotiation and attempted to manipulate the deal by lying. The seller was justified in his response, however I feel his response was immature and an overreaction. Thus my previous point that haggling is a lost art.
I think the art of negotiation has a lot of merit and is a valuable and honorable skill. Also it is a useful tool for starving musicians with bigger dreams than wallets.
Yep, jumping on the bandwagon. Hopefully one day I'll be able to graduate to actually wasting someone else's time and money.
A bit of a jump, but you have a point. Something being tradition isn't a very strong reason. The fact of the matter is, some people want to save more money even in the face of a more than fair transaction. That's bordering on greed at that point.
On your talk of "tradition" though, I'd say haggling in general is dying out. It's not really something that many of the younger generation seem to agree with. I think we just want transparency in most situations.
I don't think it makes sense to treat an agreed-on price as set in stone when you're talking about a musical instrument that the buyer hasn't seen or played. I think the seller is honor-bound to stick to that price if the buyer decides to go through with the deal. But the buyer is entitled to renegotiate, or back out entirely, after checking out the instrument. It's an asymmetrical situation because the parties start out with different levels of information.
EDIT: To GBBSbassist's point...I'm 61, and I *hate* haggling. I agree that young people in general are less inclined to do it, which is why I like doing gear transactions with them. But I never resent when someone haggles with me, even after arriving at a price by email. I just say no. (Or, sometimes, yes.)
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