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My take on a custom "P-Bass"

tombowlus

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I have long found much to love about the classic P-Bass design, but especially after playing some more modern takes on the venerable Precision, I got to thinking about what I'd like in a custom P-Bass. Here is what I came up with.

No bones about it, I am a fan of mahogany bodied basses. Yes, some mahogany bodied basses can sound overly plump, and not as tight in the lows, but from what I can tell, this seems to be due as much or more to the other variables (pickup type/placement, neck, construction, etc.) as it is to the choice of body wood. I first fell in love with mahogany when I got my Thunderbird, and no a good number of basses later, it's still my preference. I find no loss in clarity, and I like the powerful (yet articulate) low mids. So, humor me here a bit, but I'd like to go with a mahogany body for my "Custom P-Bass."

Similarly, I find that ebony is the fingerboard for me, so that's what I'm going with. And I have found mahogany/ebony to be a great combo for my preferences.

Okay, so then I need to consider 'regular' P pickup configuration, or the 'reverse' P, right? Man, which way to go? I like the phat vibe of the regular split pickup configuration, but sometimes I like that slightly tighter low end out of a reverse P. If only I could have both! Wait a minute, I can! :eek: Using two split coil pickups in close proximity (placed in the traditional Precision pickup location), we could wire the coils such that I could select top coil on E-A, bottom coil on D-G, or I could select top coil on D-G, bottom coil on E-A. Viola! And on top of that, I'd have some other (non-traditional) pickup selections to chose from (say, both in series, or both parallel). :cool:

Of course, there is the choice of 4 or 5, but given that I have a Celinder P Update 5 and a Sadowsky P/J 5, I think I have that covered. And plus, I find that much of what I want that "P-Bass vibe" for is generally 4-string material. So, a 4-banger (with a D-tuner) will probably do the trick.

What do y'all think of my crazy I'deer? Some of you may know that I have already placed an order for such a beast with a certain luthier (and others could readily discern this by reading my profile), but I was curious as to what my TB buds thought. I could still tweak things at this point, but I am pretty much set on most of it. For my personal preferences, I think that this will work out pretty well.

Oh, and I'm thinking passive is the way to go at this point.

Thanks, Tom.
 
I've seen people wire quad coils for P/revP before. My only concern would be that you want to make sure to get the full aperture width on the coils. It will probably mean a custom pickup, but its a cool idea. It'd be especially nice to add a hum canceling J pickup, so then you could have both a trad P sound and a spector-esqe revP with J sound.
 
I really like your idea. Mahogany and ebony is a great combo. And I have also wanted to have both a regular P and reverse P and the same time!

I gave up Ps in favor of Js in part because I hated the drop in girth and lows when playing the D and G strings in a regular P bass, although I love the mids and snap you get at the same time. But ultimately, in a band context, I like the extra lows of a J pickup in the neck position better.

If you could have both and select them both or one at a time... brilliant idea.
 
Tom, Nordstrand recommend reverse mounting their 5 string P pup to help keep the B tight, but not so for the 4 banger.

as far as mahogany/ebony "P Variants", here's mine. It's been my overall impression that mahogany is pretty tight, warm, punchy, but that may be due to my 'hogs all being G&L's;)

Both mahogany/ebony, both 1981 (tho the L2Ke has an '83 neck on her right here):
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Mahogany/ebony: long cherished combo in G&L Land!
One last aside; mahogany tends to be dense and heavy: good for tone, maybe a lil hard on your shoulder. Both of these click in at about 10lbs...
 
Tom, I am totally on board with you. In fact I am very close to pulling a trigger with the same person for the same design. I would go with slightly different woods though. I think its an excellent design, and I am hoping that I can fund it right now. Although its actually looking like this may happen in a later batch.
 
Very nice G&L's, Chef! Man, if Idda known they made a mahogany/ebony P-bass, I probably would have picked one up long ago. Well, live and learn. Maybe there's room in my arsenal for a G&L yet! :smug:

As for adding a Jazz pickup, pickles, that is a great suggestion, and I have considered that (bridge, of course), but I'm fairly certain that this particular bass, with those woods, and with the pickups in question (they start with an "S" and rhyme with "hold" ;) :p), I think that I am going to have my tone covered. :bassist: Still, it's a possibility.
 
A big ole capacitor...
If you go to the G&L home page, then to FAQ, then to Schematics, you can see it. I couldn't figger how to cut and paste that into here for you, sorry...
 
If you want reverse and standard P-bass options you could do it with three coils (1 1/2 complete pickups).

Put the E/A where it goes, and put one D/G in the reverse location and the other D/G in the standard location.

You'd have less options than with two complete pickups, but it would work ok.
 
If you want reverse and standard P-bass options you could do it with three coils (1 1/2 complete pickups).

Put the E/A where it goes, and put one D/G in the reverse location and the other D/G in the standard location.

You'd have less options than with two complete pickups, but it would work ok.

Good point. I did think of that as well, but figured that it would be cool to have the series/parallel option. I like the way you think, though. :smug:

Tom.
 
Series/parallel...hmmm, again sounding like a G&L L1000.

You really oughta test drive one of those sometime.

Actually, now that I am thinking about it, I did play a number of G&L's back 10+ years ago when I was looking for a new bass. Heck, I think it was 15+ years ago! :eek:

I pretty much loved the sound of every G&L that I played, but as I recall, the feel was not as enticing (for me, at least). Still, I should try one (or two) again.

Tom.
 
Hey Tom.... I'll break the ice. That Skjold switchable 'quad' pickup is an amazing idea. While a mahogany/ebony P will surely not give you the 'classic P' tone, neither will our hot rodded Celinder J's give us the 'classic J' tone... but it's still darn amazing.

I bet that will be an amazing instrument, and I look forward to following it on Pete's site. I would think that the Ebony/Mahogany P in the reverse P 'mode' will give you the fattest, most beautiful P tone ever.

Of course, the real 'P' guys would probably hate it, but who cares about them anyway.:D
 
Hey Tom.... I'll break the ice. That Skjold switchable 'quad' pickup is an amazing idea. While a mahogany/ebony P will surely not give you the 'classic P' tone, neither will our hot rodded Celinder J's give us the 'classic J' tone... but it's still darn amazing.

I bet that will be an amazing instrument, and I look forward to following it on Pete's site. I would think that the Ebony/Mahogany P in the reverse P 'mode' will give you the fattest, most beautiful P tone ever.

Of course, the real 'P' guys would probably hate it, but who cares about them anyway.:D

Yeah, this is a bass for me, not for P-bass purists, that is for sure. :cool:
 
Intriguing idea, kinda a reverse-P fan here, too. I like the "immediacy" (is that a word?) of the low notes with the flab trimmed off 'em.

I always wondered how a reverse-P, with a non-reverse-P close behind it, might sound. A coil-selection feature sounds like the ultimate. Go for it!

Here's my reverse-P monsters (the Jon Hill is passive).

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I'm currently frankensteining one of those.

In my case, I went for a more traditional concept...the body is ash, maple neck, rosewood fretboard, and the thing that stands out is the pickups. reverse P and Musicman as close to their original positions as possible...

I cant wait to unleash the beast... should sound punchier than a... well... something. ;)