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My terrible Mike Arnopol experience

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A thread headline with "my terrible experience with" is harming or trashing a reputation
whether or not it is delivered in a calm tone or not.
This is a philosophical difference and I won't comment further..
Good luck to all involved.

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I sympathize with both Monsterthomson and Mike Arnopol. A bad review for bad performance is fair. A complaint about bad service or faulty products is justified, provided the proportionate power of the negative comments is reasonable.

IMHO, the internet multiplies the power of negative comments many times over, making them potentially very destructive. Is the intent to impair Mike Arnopol's ability to earn a living or conduct business? No. I think it is to encourage improvement and find a solution. How can he set this failure right if he is ruined?

Wouldn't it be better to find a way to describe the story told here with a title less destructive and more descriptive than "My terrible Mike Arnopol experience?" How about "Unresolved Customer Service Issue with Mike Arnopol?"

After all "terrible Mike Arnopol experience" sounds like he must have thrown your Granny to the Gators! :cool:
 
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IMHO, the internet multiplies the power of negative comments many times over, making them potentially very destructive. Is the intent to impair Mike Arnopol's ability to earn a living or conduct business? No. I think it is to encourage improvement and find a solution. How can he set this failure right if he is ruined?

Wouldn't it be better to find a way to describe the story told here with a title less destructive and more descriptive than "My terrible Mike Arnopol experience?" How about "Unresolved Customer Service Issue with Mike Arnopol?"

After all "terrible Mike Arnopol experience" sounds like he must have thrown your Granny to the Gators! :cool:

See my recent edit to the original post (if you hadn't already).

As for it being "unresolved," it isn't. My dealing with Mike exceeded my tolerance for dealing with him, so I told him I'm done with him; I'm not mad, I'm just done (something about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results each time?). Perhaps using "unfortunate" might sit better with some, but as the customer, I consider this terrible. Four generations of cabinet and nearly a year of not having a functioning cab has exhausted me, and I don't expect that he or I wish to continue taking laps around this park. Sometimes broken is broken.
 
First, Monster, I'm sorry you had a bad experience.

Dr. Jim (and Nomatic) have valid points. The Internet, and humans, tend to focus on the negative.
For proof, look what winds up on or in the news.
If I (or Nomatic) started a thread "My Great Experience with Mike Arnopol", I guarantee that it wouldn't be at 4 pages in 12 hours.

My take from this, and from other threads, is that Monster had a bad experience and got a cab with a buzz from a bad woofer that was not adequately troubleshot (is that a word?). And that Mike was pretty stand-up about it.

A lot of other threads and posts that I've seen show Mike delivering great sounding, well built products, pretty much on time. His communications with me have been very good. I have an order in with him, and based on the preponderance of evidence (the positive threads and this one) I still feel very comfortable with that order and with Mike.

AdamR - I disagree that Mike should post here. Monster is stating his case. Mike posting would turn it into a "he said/she said". Mike's time is better spent creating good experiences and cabinets than arguing on a forum about an issue that is fundamentally done. All IMO, of course.
 
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seems like the right word. it even has a fEARful connotation :D
 
What model driver was it? I've had numerous conversations with Mike and always found him intelligent and courteous. Sorry this happened to you, as someone else posted; the driver should be under warranty and even if it wasn't it should be replaced at no charge after the rest of what you went through. Every cab that leaves any shop should be thoroughly tested before it leaves a shop, especially
Expected from a "boutique"/custom shop. I hope it all works out for you.
I hope it all works out for you.
 
I feel I should add that I have purchased this cab from the OP. I'll see about getting it functioning properly, and one way or another this will be taken to a TB GTG where it will be seen and heard and played by a good number of TB brethren.
 
I'd be horribly pissed if that was my cab and experience.

Also, one post about a a bad experience isn't going to destroy a business. It may deter a few people from dealing with said business, or make them proceed with a little more caution.

Now, if a lot of folks are piling on with the same experience, or there are multiple people creating similar posts, then yes, that could harm a business, and rightly so.
 
Sorry to hear/learn of your long bad experience.

IE: Fearful vs. Barefaced ~

FWIW: IMHO, this is where boutique cabinet builders such as Barefaced has the big upper hand with their precision tooling and in house oversight of Quality Control.



So, as some of you have seen in the Fearful/less thread, and on the greenboy forums, I’ve had a bad experience dealing with Mike Arnopol and a cabinet he built for me. It is the nightmare of nightmares for someone requesting a custom build of a $1,000+ cab from across the country from someone you’ve never met.

I know this is a sensitive subject that could erupt into a flaming mess, so I hope to keep this primarily factual and minimally emotional. My intent is to vent a little, but mostly to tell my story about a bad experience with a builder.

Here is the timeline of events:

March of 2012 - Initial build requested for a fEARful 15/6 composite cab. Mike is pleasant to deal with and quickly replies to my PM’s.

April 2012 – The cab arrives. It has an odd buzzing noise around the E-string 5th fret A notes. I contacted Mike, and he was bummed. We brainstormed, thinking it might be a mechanical rubbing. The reality is that the noise was only audible at low volumes and did not get louder as the volume was cranked, so I opted to live with the nuisance rather than ship the cab back for repairs. It sounded fine otherwise.

End of May of 2013 – I started considering selling the cab for a variety of reasons; mainly because I found myself gigging less and playing more in my living room, where the buzzing was still present and noticeable. I contacted Mike and we agreed he’d take a look at it. I shipped the cab to Mike, expecting under a month of shipping and repair time (going back and forth from LA to Chicago eats up almost a week).

June/July of 2013 – Mike tells me a few stories about why he thinks the buzz is there. He admits it exists and ultimately tells me that it is a crossover issue that was hard to sort out.

End of July of 2013 – Mike ships the cab back. FedEx damages the box. We begin dealing with the insurance claim process.

End of August 2013 – Mike gives me the green-light to return the cab, saying FedEx just approved the reimbursement. For giggles, I had plugged in the cab, and it buzzed worse than before; I assumed it was the FedEx damage.

Sept 10th, 2013 – FedEx has shown the cab as delivered to Mike. I email him for confirmation. Sept 19th, he replies he’s been busy but that he did get it.

October 10th, 2013 – Mike has told me my cab would be ready to go soon, so I email him for an update. October 30th, he replies that it boxed and ready and waiting on a label. He has informed me that he took some time to do some upgrades to make up for the whole pain of the ordeal to-date. In mid-October, I had started a thread in greenboy’s forum about having communication issues with Mike not returning my emails. This seemed to motivate Mike to reply quicker; he admitted he was not attentive to emails.

Early November of 2013 – The cab arrives, and it looks good. I plug it in and it buzzes and distorts all over the fretboard. I swap the cable to my Mesa PH 115 and the exact same signal path is clean and clear. My girlfriend is in the room and confirms the sound problem exists and is audible to her untrained ears.

End of November of 2013 – Mike is apologetic and we speak about where to go next. He offers to build me a Fearless F115 from the ground up, asking only that I send him the woofer from my cab. I agree to this very nice offer. Mike swears a three-week turnaround and is emphatic that he will make this right.

At this point, I’m done with this cab and expect that my $1,000 is flushed. Time to chalk it up to experience and move on. I’ve been frustrated but polite this whole time. I’ve avoided pointing fingers and name calling or swearing; completely mature and adult behavior and conversations.

February 1st of 2014 – The F115 arrives. I’ve been given several stories about the delay, ranging from personal issues to waiting on parts. I plug in and it buzzes just as every other version of the 15/6 with the same woofer had. I email Mike about it, saying I’m done dealing with him. I said that I didn’t know what the problem was between it leaving his hands and arriving in mine, but I was out of energy for dealing with it.

I had been in contact with greenboy about this. I noticed that Mike fell off the Authorized Builder list not long after speaking with him. Greenboy put me in touch with a local who is helping me out. He’s not an authorized builder, but he spotted the issue with the woofer in under five minutes, and was shocked Mike never figured that out as the issue, and that he would send me cab that sounded that bad.

I now have a to-do list for cleaning up the F115 and getting it running again. It had a variety of issues, ranging from gunk in the tweeter to missing damping material and a questionable crossover build. Morbid curiosity, and the kind hands and heads of the Fearful/less community has me hanging on with a little faith that I might just get this cab running after all.

Based on my experience, I’d never recommend dealing with Mike. His communication was bad. His problem solving is faulty. His build quality was poor. I can’t begin to fathom why he’d put the time and energy into building me a new cab and sending it to me sounding bad. I can only guess that it worked when he played it. However, the new eyes looking at it think this should have been obvious and the problem existed when it was still in his control. I know he gets lots of respect, and this is just my story. Every product has a failure rate, and I may have just gotten stuck with the bad deal. Maybe Big E just got to be a bigger priority than my cab. Whatever the reasons, this is how it is now.


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EDIT - I stated this in a subsequent post, but feel it is valuble to have in this first post, and not lost in the mix:

. . . also, i will say that my posting in the greenboy forums had a direct impact on Mike's communications. he even thanked me for opening his eyes to this issue. i do honestly hope this thread could be a similar tool to help him improve down the road. after all, if we don't know our weaknesses, how can we improve?

i'm aware this thread will get some traffic. i'm also aware that Mike probably won't post in it. i can understand and respect why he wouldn't. this isn't meant for us to have a public back-and-forth airing of dirty laundry. as i said, i posted it to be an honest account of what happened to me. YMMV. i certainly hope all his future customers have better experiences, and not that i damage his business.
 
April 2012 – The cab arrives. It has an odd buzzing noise around the E-string 5th fret A notes. I contacted Mike, and he was bummed. We brainstormed, thinking it might be a mechanical rubbing. The reality is that the noise was only audible at low volumes and did not get louder as the volume was cranked, so I opted to live with the nuisance rather than ship the cab back for repairs. It sounded fine otherwise.

End of May of 2013 – I started considering selling the cab for a variety of reasons; mainly because I found myself gigging less and playing more in my living room, where the buzzing was still present and noticeable. I contacted Mike and we agreed he’d take a look at it. I shipped the cab to Mike, expecting under a month of shipping and repair time (going back and forth from LA to Chicago eats up almost a week).

It would appear to me on the surface that by not pursuing the problem immediately after receiving the cab your approval of the build is implied. As you seem to be a discerning player I'm not sure why you procrastinated on this - small annoyances like this would drive me batty, and I would have disassembled the thing myself to troubleshoot it the same day.

The fact that Mike went to great lengths to help a customer over a year after the sale speaks positively to me. Now, I know I don't have all the information, and I have not (and won't) gone back and read all your other posts for sake of time. However, I can't get over the fact that you waited over a year to essentially file a warranty claim (not sure how Mike guarantees his work). Few, if any, large corp's would go the extra mile in a case like that.
 
I feel I should add that I have purchased this cab from the OP. I'll see about getting it functioning properly, and one way or another this will be taken to a TB GTG where it will be seen and heard and played by a good number of TB brethren.

the cab minus the problem woofer. i wish you luck with the project. i'm impressed at your interest in trying it out. btw - a significant portion of the sales price was shipping costs (just over 25%). i wasn't trying to make money off of this.
 
It would appear to me on the surface that by not pursuing the problem immediately after receiving the cab your approval of the build is implied. As you seem to be a discerning player I'm not sure why you procrastinated on this - small annoyances like this would drive me batty, and I would have disassembled the thing myself to troubleshoot it the same day.

The fact that Mike went to great lengths to help a customer over a year after the sale speaks positively to me. Now, I know I don't have all the information, and I have not (and won't) gone back and read all your other posts for sake of time. However, I can't get over the fact that you waited over a year to essentially file a warranty claim (not sure how Mike guarantees his work). Few, if any, large corp's would go the extra mile in a case like that.

agreed. i considered the lag time and my responsibility. Mike and i spoke about the issue when it first showed up. his estimate was not that the woofer needed a replacement. it was a low-level issue and i needed a functioning cab for gigs. a year later, i didn't have the gigs, so i figured it was a good time to clear it up. my expectation was that it would be a quick ship to Mike and a quick fix and shipment back. i was prepared to pay the initial repair costs out of my pocket, because it was my choice to wait a year. what i got back was a product that was in worse shape than before i sent it for repair. FedEx didn't help things by damaging it in one of the shipments. however, it is the fact that Mike sent me a "fixed" cab that was worse than when i sent it in for a minor repair that blew my mind. escalate that by the fact that he sent me a ground-up rebuild of a new cab using the same woofer having the same issue, and it gets mind-numbing trying to figure out how/why. the problem wasn't subtle, and i can't imagine that it wasn't obvious if it existed before he shipped it to me, or what caused the issue between it leaving his door and getting to mine. i can't burn too many more calories trying to understand "why." instead, i just need to resolve the issue of making the cab i have work using other options.
 
It would appear to me on the surface that by not pursuing the problem immediately after receiving the cab your approval of the build is implied. As you seem to be a discerning player I'm not sure why you procrastinated on this - small annoyances like this would drive me batty, and I would have disassembled the thing myself to troubleshoot it the same day.

The fact that Mike went to great lengths to help a customer over a year after the sale speaks positively to me. Now, I know I don't have all the information, and I have not (and won't) gone back and read all your other posts for sake of time. However, I can't get over the fact that you waited over a year to essentially file a warranty claim (not sure how Mike guarantees his work). Few, if any, large corp's would go the extra mile in a case like that.

Yeah (dyslexic me), I just re-read the timelines... a year later, I might be telling the OP to gtfo myself. OP should have dealt with it then.

Personally, I have had experiences where I got something that was not in tip-top shape or even damaged in shipping. I usually take ownership of the issue if it is cheaper for me to fix and I have the ability to the work.

On the flip side:
Recently, I had a pedal from a prominent company here on TB repair a pedal I have owned and gigged with for a couple of years for free after it failed at one of my gigs. I would have been willing to pay for the fix, since it is an integral part of my rig. But said company has my loyalty and support as a result too.
 
He missed the source of the issue, which an amateur spotted immediately.

I have no dog in this fight. I've never met the OP, although we do live within driving distance of each other. I've never met Mike Arnopol. I have spoken to him on the phone once for about 25 minutes regarding his Big E cabs.

My question is about the problem with the woofer. I would love to know what the issue turned out to be. Many of us are willing to open up a cab and try to fix a problem ourselves so we don't have to ship back to the builder. Knowing what your woofer's issue was could save some us time and grief if we ever encounter the same thing. I had a mysterious buzz in a new speaker cab once and the builder was able to help me resolve the problem long distance. Yes, it was a problem with the woofers.

M. M.
 
+1

I sympathize with both Monsterthomson and Mike Arnopol. A bad review for bad performance is fair. A complaint about bad service or faulty products is justified, provided the proportionate power of the negative comments is reasonable.

IMHO, the internet multiplies the power of negative comments many times over, making them potentially very destructive. Is the intent to impair Mike Arnopol's ability to earn a living or conduct business? No. I think it is to encourage improvement and find a solution. How can he set this failure right if he is ruined?

Wouldn't it be better to find a way to describe the story told here with a title less destructive and more descriptive than "My terrible Mike Arnopol experience?" How about "Unresolved Customer Service Issue with Mike Arnopol?"

After all "terrible Mike Arnopol experience" sounds like he must have thrown your Granny to the Gators! :cool:

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While a "...bad review for bad performance is fair, piling on without hearing both sides of the story is not fair.
 
Ok

The reason I didn't post right away was I was so upset and saddened by this I had to wait until morning. I didn't sleep at all. I just took an hour walk in the cold to try to center myself before posting.
I personally don't mind the title. He has every right to post whatever he pleases

Monster is a really good guy. Even if he trash talked I would still choose to view him in a positive light.

I appreciate compliments but what I really listen to and take seriously is criticism. I make mistakes. I do my best to learn from them.

This has been one of the most frustrating and saddening things I've ever gone through.

One thing that keeps me from sinking into depression over this is my track record and reputation. I've made over 60 composite cabs.I have taken back 5 for repair that were due to problems in construction.All of them were the earliest cabs. Except for Monster's I never saw them a second time. I even checked in to insure that everything was cool. I had 4 where I had to replace a defective tweeter. Greenboy insisted on using an Eminence APT80 tweeter. It's cheap. Around $20. But it's a threaded plastic horn with a 1 1/2# driver hanging on it. An accident waiting to happen. They break. I know that there are many out there that haven't but I know at least one authorized buider that has had them break. I begged Greenboy to switch it but he wouldn't. I paid shipping back from Korea to replace one damaged in shipping. Most that were returned were damaged in shipping. It got to the point where I wouldn't take an order for a cab that used it.

Ken Jung had a problem with a very early composite cab. Just a wire vibrating against something. I fixed it and it worked perfectly. I then learned that with composite cabs different rules applied. EVERY wire had to be isolated and affixed. Never had that problem again.

As far as wood cabinets I have had one of about 70 come back. Unfortunately it was from Norway! It was a simple fix.

I have had two people of all I have dealt with that just thought my work sucked. (Monster being one)

I have taken one cabinet back where it just didn't suit the buyer's needs.I refunded his money.

This is just one of those "haunted cabs" situations for me. I really did my best to try to rectify the situation. I've never been as frustrated.

His was one of my first composite cabs. As I stated---it was a learning experience. I refined and improved with every cab I made. And was determined to learn from and never make the same mistake a second time.

Here's one of the weirdest things. His cab was used to demo for local guys when it was here. Before the first one shipped. Again after repairs were made. And the last one with the "blown" driver----it was demoed an hour before I packed it to ship. I did delay in shipping then for 2 days so the guy could check it out. He loved it. The guys that tried the original cab at various times it was here loved it. That cab has generated 5 local cabinet sales. These are all top professional players. None of them witnessed a blown driver. Neither did I. Maybe we were all mistaken and it was blown. I am known for having a really good ear. I couldn't hear it. Checking for a blown driver is the first thing I do. Replacing a blown driver is an easy thing---it doesn't cost me any money. I deal with the top guys at Eminence all the time. If I called them they would ship me a replacement that day. I'd ship them the driver. They would determine whether it was damaged by material defect or abuse. Material defect---they pay. Abuse---the customer pays. No skin off my nose either way. My deliveries from Eminence are two days.

I'm not saying Monster is lying---I don't think he's that kind of guy.

The first time it was sent back I played it. I had to play it really loud to hear any problem. At a volume that no one would play in their house and wouldn't notice anything on a gig I heard a slight buzz coming from a crossover component. At the time I had just used wire ties to secure capacitors. I then used hot melt and wire ties. Never had that problem again. I also did some repairs to a few places that were minorly bashed. I had to redo the red Duratex on the whole cab. No charge.I had a guy stop over and try it He ordered one.

The next time was the Fedex fiasco. I rebuilt the entire cab. The good thing about the composites is that when you do a repair it's actually stronger than the original cab. I redid the entire crossover. I had used typical grill clamps originally. To try to make up for Monster's inconvenience I did some upgrades. I filled in the holes (with epoxy) from the original clamps. I ordered new Penn Elcom grills---much better looking than the waffle grills---and installed them with a new integral mounting system. I wanted to do everything I could to make this unpleasant experience better. I shook the cab. I tossed it in the air. I took it outside and ran it to full volume to insure that there were no problems. I had a list of locals wanting to try a Fearful 15/6. One came by, loved it, and ordered one.

I had by then improved my boxing and packing. Everything was double boxed with double thickness carboard. The eqivalent of 4 thicknesses. I make custom packing corners of 2" polyethelene foam.

Monster received it and said there were problems. I was beside myself. I said that I'd make him a new fEarless 115 at no charge. I used Okume plywood ($100 upcharge). His original cab didn't have the tweeter. I included the better tweeter and horn (Faital---I wouldn't use the APT80)
It did take too long. I was really sick from fiberglass. Also, Greenboy had spec'd a certain Faital mid. Faital had discontinued this mid (12 ohm) and replaced it with an 8 ohm mid. I begged Greenboy to redo the crossover for the over-the-counter mid. Instead, they talked Faital into bringing some of the 12 ohm drivers back into the country. It was stupid. It would have been simple to redo the crossover. I had to order directly from Faital as Speaker Hardware had none in stock. (and would likely be unable to get them in the future) Faital is great if you're buying a box of drivers. You don't want to buy singles. They throw it in the box and hope for the best. Literally. I buy a lot of drivers directly from Faital. The first 5" mid they sent had the terminals broken off. They sent a second one that had a hole in the cone. I talked to the rep complaining. He said they were unaccustomed to shipping individual drivers. The third one they sent had a small dent in the dust cap.I talked to Leland and was able to use a small needle to pop it back out. Tested it and it was fine. This took a frustrating month back and forth. Wouldn't have happened if we just switched to the 8 ohm mid.

I finished the cab and was very proud of it. Shook it, tossed it, cranked it. It sounded great. I must have missed the fact that it was blown as did the top pro that was over and tried it.

My next communication from Monster was that it sounded like crap and don't contact him unless it was for a full refund. To be honest---at this point I wasn't willing to issue a full refund. He had the cab. Had a problem. I fixed it. (after an afternoon trying to locate it). I did not hear back from him that there was a problem. So at the time I assumed it was fixed. It was a while where he communicated that the problem was back. At this point it ---in my book--changed from an originally shipped defect to warranty problem. For warranty problems typically it's fixed for free but the customer pays shipping. I paid all shipping myself, Over $400 total. I offered and built a new cab----with options beyond the first cab.

To be honest---I have no idea what was happening. Ultimatums were issued and communication shut down. It was a total nightmare for me. At this point I would have paid shipping and had the cab returned and fixed it. I was not offered that option.

Every time I shipped back to him I confirmed with objective sources that the cab functioned well. I'm not accusing Monster of anything. This is the only cab out of about 150 that has ever had problems like this. The only repair that ever came back. Any builder or repairman can diss some one else's work.

Fortunately, my reputation speaks for itself. While since I'm a one-man shop sometimes communication may have slipped---I've taken great pains to rectify that. Fortunately (or unfortunately) my orders are increasing as is my customer satisfaction.

Although this is a single isolated incident--it impacts me stronger in an emotional way then what has been almost exclusively successes. I tried my best. I think that Monster is a good guy and wish him the best.

I will not post on this topic again.
 
About a year ago Mike had built me a composite TC212. It took a lot longer than expected due to his health issues with the composite material but I have to say that I am extremely happy with the finished product. Now on the other hand if I was the OP I would be very hot. These cabs are very expensive and you are paying a premium for a custom made product. I would expect to get a quality flawless product in return. Hopefully this can be worked out.

Good luck.
 
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