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Double Bass Myers Pickup with flexible mic & preamp

Hello !

I'm about to purchase a DB, and I'm wondering about pickups or microphones.
I just saw some of you use DPA mics, and as I have some 4061, i'd like to know if some of you tried those, how they place it...

simply : will it do the job, or should I directly look for other solutions...

Thanks !
Welcome to TB and to the dark side! :) It sounds like you're a DB newbie, a DB amplification newbie, or both. If so, I think you (and we) would be best served by your pulling up a chair and going through some of the major threads in this forum. Several quite recent threads speak directly to your question. For example, see this one. A mic used as a first shot as the transducer for amplification is, typically, not a satisfactory choice. That's why most here use a pickup for live gigs. If you're considering a mic for recording purposes, then, by all means! So, please do some homework and then c'mon back and tell us about the type of music you play and the typical venues you'd be in. Then folks here can give you some helpful guidance.
 
This pu prolly is better than the Radio Shack DIY jobber people were discussing here a while back..

Actually, I would say "no". I have been using the Radio Shack mic for the past 4 years and it sounds awesome every time. One of the guys in my band had the Meyers mic and I tried it. It actually sounded nowhere near as good as the Radio Shack mic to me. The other thing is that it does not stick very well. My bandmate used it on his dobro for a 45 minute set and it fell off 3 times during the set. It would not stay on my bass for more than a couple of minutes. Perhaps you could use some putty like on a contact mic, but the suction cup thing doesn't work very well.
 
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I recently discovered the Myers bass pickup completely by accident. It just popped up on my Amazon page as related products do. I started to read about it and was instantly intrigued that it was in fact a mic as opposed to a piezo design. I have always steered away from pickups and bass amps. I have worked very hard to get a sound out of the bass acousticly and my amplification has either been a mic through a PA system or playing totally acoustic. A pickup has always felt and sounded strange and unnatural to me. The fact that the sound you hear with a piezo pickup and amp is coming from vibrations on the bridge just seemed so wrong to me. There were times when I had to use an amp and pickup and I would reluctantly use an underwood and let the G string pickup side dangle achieving a punchier sound and feel. Regardless, it still never felt right but I would begrudgingly have to do that from time to time.

There are some playing situations (i.e. a noisy club, a loud band, playing outside) where there is no PA system to plug a mic into and playing acousticly just won't cut it. Now, FINALLY I have just the right piece of equipment to work with!!
The Myers bass pickup is PERFECT for just these situations. When I plug the Myers bass pickup into a bass amp I truly feel like I am playing through a PA with a mic. The sound is clear, natural, punchy and warm. It feels and sounds just like my bass but louder. The design is clever and streamlined. Since my bass is old the suction cup clip does not work so I use the clip that clips on the top of the F hole on my G string side. I am able to position the mic right where I like a mic to be positioned - between the feet of my bridge. I am so happy to finally have the just the right piece of equipment so I can be confident and comfortable playing through a bass amp when need be.

I love the Myers bass pickup so much and sincerely believe in the product I volunteered to create a promotional video for Gregg Myers for his website. Check it out! Trust me, I was not paid a dime from the company to say what I have said or to make the promo video I did. I just hope it helps get the word out about this fantastic and unique product.
Good luck and plucking!
 
Now, ACROSS the soundhole, on a diagonal, aimed up at the bottom of the fingerboard (or thereabouts) can often work, and provide a girthy tone. It's a bit of a science (or perhaps black magic), to be sure...

Can you show what that looks like?




Actually, I would say "no". I have been using the Radio Shack mic for the past 4 years and it sounds awesome every time. One of the guys in my band had the Meyers mic and I tried it. It actually sounded nowhere near as good as the Radio Shack mic to me. The other thing is that it does not stick very well. My bandmate used it on his dobro for a 45 minute set and it fell off 3 times during the set. It would not stay on my bass for more than a couple of minutes. Perhaps you could use some putty like on a contact mic, but the suction cup thing doesn't work very well.
ha..

Can you post some pictures up of yours?
 
@bassfacer22: I've heard Neal play. Neal plays in New York and he is very well respected. He is a great acoustic bassist and he gets a beautiful acoustic sound. If he thinks that the Myers bass PU is worth considering, you might want to check it out.
 
@bassfacer22: I've heard Neal play. Neal plays in New York and he is very well respected. He is a great acoustic bassist and he gets a beautiful acoustic sound. If he thinks that the Myers bass PU is worth considering, you might want to check it out.

Here's the link to Neal's demo on the Meyer's pickup website, definitely sounds interesting.[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

There's a close up on the video of the pickup's placement and installation.
 
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Actually, I meant I wanted to see pictures of the Radio Shack mic installed haha..

as far as the Myers, I don't doubt that it is good.. As I've heard now, but I already have the Schertler Electrostatic mic pickup.. its perfectly fine.. don't need to go any further as it's just pointless and I should just put a real mic in front of the bass anyway at that point...

and there is no way that can be great in a louder enviroment.. but the point is, the Myers of course sounds good like a mic.
 
Actually, I meant I wanted to see pictures of the Radio Shack mic installed haha..

as far as the Myers, I don't doubt that it is good.. As I've heard now, but I already have the Schertler Electrostatic mic pickup.. its perfectly fine.. don't need to go any further as it's just pointless and I should just put a real mic in front of the bass anyway at that point...

and there is no way that can be great in a louder enviroment.. but the point is, the Myers of course sounds good like a mic.

Bass Facer,
I purchased the Radio Shack RS microphone just to see how it worked. It's a very inexpensive solution that dosen't sound half bad. Based on the video clips of the Myers, it sounds much fuller and more detailed, than the RS. As I Recall, one TB member used the DPA 4099B mount with the RS.

Ric
 
I recently discovered the Myers bass pickup completely by accident. It just popped up on my Amazon page as related products do. I started to read about it and was instantly intrigued that it was in fact a mic as opposed to a piezo design. I have always steered away from pickups and bass amps. I have worked very hard to get a sound out of the bass acousticly and my amplification has either been a mic through a PA system or playing totally acoustic. A pickup has always felt and sounded strange and unnatural to me. The fact that the sound you hear with a piezo pickup and amp is coming from vibrations on the bridge just seemed so wrong to me. There were times when I had to use an amp and pickup and I would reluctantly use an underwood and let the G string pickup side dangle achieving a punchier sound and feel. Regardless, it still never felt right but I would begrudgingly have to do that from time to time.

There are some playing situations (i.e. a noisy club, a loud band, playing outside) where there is no PA system to plug a mic into and playing acousticly just won't cut it. Now, FINALLY I have just the right piece of equipment to work with!!
The Myers bass pickup is PERFECT for just these situations. When I plug the Myers bass pickup into a bass amp I truly feel like I am playing through a PA with a mic. The sound is clear, natural, punchy and warm. It feels and sounds just like my bass but louder. The design is clever and streamlined. Since my bass is old the suction cup clip does not work so I use the clip that clips on the top of the F hole on my G string side. I am able to position the mic right where I like a mic to be positioned - between the feet of my bridge. I am so happy to finally have the just the right piece of equipment so I can be confident and comfortable playing through a bass amp when need be.

I love the Myers bass pickup so much and sincerely believe in the product I volunteered to create a promotional video for Gregg Myers for his website. Check it out! Trust me, I was not paid a dime from the company to say what I have said or to make the promo video I did. I just hope it helps get the word out about this fantastic and unique product.
Good luck and plucking!

Neal, first of all let me welcome you to Talkbass. It feels great to be around so many great players in this little corner of the WWW.

I had already watched your video and liked the amplified tone you got. A few questions: Do you prefer it over the SM58 under the bridge? Which one is more feedback resistant?
 
Actually, I meant I wanted to see pictures of the Radio Shack mic installed haha..



I was using the RS mic for a while on my old Shen. It sounded great through an amplifier, but I couldn't use it once I started playing clubs with large PA's. Feedback nightmare. If you aren't using PA support, it works great. I don't have a great picture of the mounting, but the pic below kind of shows it.

I bought these things from Home Depot that are basically a heavy duty, rubber twist tie that is moldable. I looped one end around my bridge food, then extended it to the f-hole on the treble side. The mic was just neatly zip-tied and electrical taped to the tie thingy. I then bent a right angle on the tie thingy, wrapped the mic in piece of weather stripping, and suspended it in the f-hole.

The battery pack has a small pocket clip on the back of it. I took a piece of foam, a velcro cable tie, and bundled it all up on the tailpiece - then hung the pack on the cable tie.

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Neal, first of all let me welcome you to Talkbass. It feels great to be around so many great players in this little corner of the WWW.

I had already watched your video and liked the amplified tone you got. A few questions: Do you prefer it over the SM58 under the bridge? Which one is more feedback resistant?
Hi Fran,
Thanks for the welcome!
In answer to your question, I can't really compare the Myers bass pick up to the SM 58. Yes, they are both microphones but the Myers is specifically designed to be played through a bass amplifier whereas the SM 58 is not. If I'm going to play through a PA system I will use my microphone which is a DPA 4099 and if I'm going to need to play through a bass amplifier I will use the Myers bass pick up. As far as feedback goes, they are both microphones so if you play them too loud or too close to the bass or facing a speaker they will feedback it's just a balancing act. By the way, I don't use the SM 58 in my bridge anymore. It was a good option but the DPA 4099 is superior and much more streamlined.
 
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Neal,
Love the sound your getting. From the way you approach using the DPA 4099 vs the Meyers, I would expect the Meyers to be more resistant to feed back than the 4099. Thats quite a accomplishment.

Ric
Hi Ric,
Thanks! I have actually never had feedback with my DPA, but with the Myers since you're standing next to the amp you have to be careful to #1 keep the amp behind you and #2 not turn the bass around towards the amp or else you will get feedback. If you can remember to do those two things you'll be fine.
 
Hi Ric,
Thanks! I have actually never had feedback with my DPA, but with the Myers since you're standing next to the amp you have to be careful to #1 keep the amp behind you and #2 not turn the bass around towards the amp or else you will get feedback. If you can remember to do those two things you'll be fine.

The DPA 4099 is great FOH, but it can feedback (at least with my rig) if I use it as my sole sound source, into an amplifier. Mind you, the DPA 4099 is about as good as it gets, for a bass mic.
I was just wondering if you chose to use the Meyers over the DPA when you use an amp, because it was more resistant to feedback in close quarters. :D

Ric
 
I've honestly never tried the DPA through an amp or any mic for that matter. Mostly because it would require a preamp w phantom power, an adapter etc.
It just seems a little complicated. I use the DPA when playing large concert venues/jazz clubs when I'm working with a sound engineer. It always works great in those situations. I like the Myers because it reminds me of my DPA and it can simply plug into an amp without any other equipment needed. It's very convenient and self contained.
 
if interested in how the contact mics sound compared to the myers,

my link to my 2 sound samples of the Ehrlund contact mic.. the 2nd sound sample is probably better in terms of volume to hear the difference..

I first play 30 seconds purely acoustic so you can hear the sound of just the bass.. then I turn up the amp..

by the way it's a carbonfiber bass. ha.

also later down the thread another great bassplayer does tests and it's a really good video..

An Ehrlund blog, sort of
 
Thank you so much for sharing your contact mic experimentation results! I absolutely love this kind of stuff!! I too do this when I am testing a new product.
First thing I want to say is you get a great sound out of your bass and your pitch is excellent!
When you first said to me, "Have you tried contact mics?" I didn't remember but after hearing your examples and seeing the product made me remember I did try a contact mic years ago called a C-Ducer tape. The late great Dennis Irwin was using it and I of course was intrigued and bought one. After experimentation I realized it was nothing close to an actual microphone. I kind of feel the same way with the product you're demonstrating. It sounds good but I feel like it's all body sound and a lot of boom tones that are hard to control due to the placements of the pickup. Just like a piezo pickup, contact mic pickups are feeding off of vibrations for a signal. You still may be getting more of the true attack and sustain/decay of the instrument, but I still feel that the Myers bass pickup is superior because the microphone is really pulling in pure sound as opposed to vibrations. Also the Myers pick up is able to be placed in positions that also get finger noise and attack which a contact microphone doesn't get. It sounds more natural than a piezo pickup but I feel it still is not the pure sound of an instrument.
 
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