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NAD! A 1969 gem from Nippon Gakki!

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Jun 18, 2021
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Heya! I've not been doing enough of these NAD/NBD posts lately. Too much work and not enough time, and lets be honest, noone cares if I get a new rumble 200 or not.

But this thing is something out of the ordinary, and I'd feel bad if I didnt put the information I have out there. I've been researching this amp over the last few days, and I figured this is a good place to post what little I have found, so whoever looks next can pick up where I left off.

Ok, so what we've got here, is, failure to communicate.
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Oh, no its not, it's a Yamaha PE 200A, and its friend, the TS 200 cabinet.

From what Ive gathered so far, they were produced by Nippon Gakki (Yamaha) at the Hamamatsu plant, from about 1968-71. This is quite unclear tho, and just an educated guess based on the very few other models I found.

It consists of 2 parts; The head, and the cabinet.
Now which one do you think is the amplifier?
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Wrong.

They both are.

The head functions as a control & effects unit and 4 channel preamp, while the cabinet is the main amplifier and, you guessed it, a cabinet.
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Pretty strange right? It gets better. The cabinet has 4 12" speakers, AND a rotating horn. I am not sure if the spring reverb is in there too, but I intend to find out. Either way, fitting all that in 1 cabinet is impressive.

Some noteable features: reverb, Tremolo, WAWWAW (no, not wah wah. WAW WAW)
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WAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA all night baby!

It's also just sliders. Not a knob in sight. Seriously, it's ALL sliders, or switches. Not 1 hecking knob.
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The seller was selling it as a bass amp, but I dont think it actually is. Atleast not in the modern sense of the word. Doesnt matter tho. It's in great condition, and I like it ALOT! I'll probably keep it as an allrounder amp, once I give it a good cleaning.
I can say this tho, there is no distortion in the sound, even at max level. And max level is LOUD.

It's in very good condition for the age, I'd say. Not a closet queen, but definitely not gigged that much.

I lucked out and got it for what I consider a very good price, but since it's impossible to find any recent sales online, it's hard to say for sure what it could be worth.

Anyway, I hope you enjoyed this. If theres any interest I'll update as I go in and clean and check the insides. Here's a picture of David Gilmour using one of these back in the day.
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Oh, and note the green/purple grill-cloth. Mmmm, smells like old basement.

Heres a quick clip testing the WAW WAW:
 

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Sounds clips would be nice.

Do you have any indication what Yamaha based this amp upon? In this era, its likely the Japanese innovation was spurred by western amps and equipment.

Yeah! I was thinking that too, "lawsuit" era and all.

But no, I havent found anything at all that resembles it, lookswise atleast. I actually typed up "It was made at the Hamamatsu plant, and surprisingly enough Yamaha was the only one to put their name on it." or something to that effect, but removed it prior to posting cus I'm not really sure yet.

Most of the stuff from that era was, as you so nicely put it; "based on" foreign gear, or made there, exported, and then given "brand" names. Which is why there are lots of identical gear out there with different names on em.
Elk Bassamp/fender bassman/XX stagemaster comes to mind as a good example. (the bassman being the "inspiration" for the two others, who were exported and "branded")

But in this case it's hard to say. Could be an unusual amp that just never really took off.
I did read somewhere when researching that it was "top of the line" at the time, which could be the reason they're pretty scarce; they were expensive.

And allright, I'll do some clips now.
 
Yeah! I was thinking that too, "lawsuit" era and all.

But no, I havent found anything at all that resembles it, lookswise atleast. I actually typed up "It was made at the Hamamatsu plant, and surprisingly enough Yamaha was the only one to put their name on it." or something to that effect, but removed it prior to posting cus I'm not really sure yet.

Most of the stuff from that era was, as you so nicely put it; "based on" foreign gear, or made there, exported, and then given "brand" names. Which is why there are lots of identical gear out there with different names on em.
Elk Bassamp/fender bassman/XX stagemaster comes to mind as a good example. (the bassman being the "inspiration" for the two others, who were exported and "branded")

But in this case it's hard to say. Could be an unusual amp that just never really took off.
I did read somewhere when researching that it was "top of the line" at the time, which could be the reason they're pretty scarce; they were expensive.

And allright, I'll do some clips now.
I have to be careful how I phrase things related to this because my wife is Japanese and she's easily offended when told of their "borrowing" antics of those times.

She did a search in Japanese and basically Nippon Gakki company, started in the late 1800s, building pianos branded under the name Yamaha. They branched out over time making all sorts of goods and products. They still make all sorts of horns, strings, and other musical instruments and remain the number one piano seller world wide. Yamaha became the overall name of the company in the 80s.

The European piano Steinway started in the mid 1800's. I have no idea if Yamaha "borrowed" ideas from the Europeans at that time but clearly they knew what they were doing.

She didn't see anything about amps but she wasn't that keen on searching further. If I can I will push her to see what she finds out about guitar amps.

As you might already know, many of the items made in Japan in those days were superb as far the crap made in the west is concerned. It is not surprising to see David Gilmour on stage with this item.
 


Heres a test of the wawaw. The scratches that can be heard indicate me changing something on the amp. EQ is flat, with slight + on bass. Working my way from low to high intensite with speed low, then changing speeds at the end.
Bass is a P with flats (EB cobalts 50-110)
Oh, recorded with a USB condensation mic

woah i feel like I just dropped a tab and turned on, tuned in, and dropped out.
 


Heres a test of the wawaw. The scratches that can be heard indicate me changing something on the amp. EQ is flat (all at 5/10), with slight + on bass(6/10). Working my way from low to high intensite with speed low, then changing speeds at the end.
Bass is a P with flats (EB cobalts 50-110)
Oh, recorded with a USB condensation mic

That's wild.
 
Heya! I've not been doing enough of these NAD/NBD posts lately. Too much work and not enough time, and lets be honest, noone cares if I get a new rumble 200 or not.

But this thing is something out of the ordinary, and I'd feel bad if I didnt put the information I have out there. I've been researching this amp over the last few days, and I figured this is a good place to post what little I have found, so whoever looks next can pick up where I left off.

Ok, so what we've got here, is, failure to communicate.
View attachment 4900061
Oh, no its not, it's a Yamaha PE 200A, and its friend, the TS 200 cabinet.

From what Ive gathered so far, they were produced by Nippon Gakki (Yamaha) at the Hamamatsu plant, from about 1968-71. This is quite unclear tho, and just an educated guess based on the very few other models I found.

It consists of 2 parts; The head, and the cabinet.
Now which one do you think is the amplifier?
View attachment 4900058

Wrong.

They both are.

The head functions as a control & effects unit and 4 channel preamp, while the cabinet is the main amplifier and, you guessed it, a cabinet.
View attachment 4900059
Pretty strange right? It gets better. The cabinet has 4 12" speakers, AND a rotating horn. I am not sure if the spring reverb is in there too, but I intend to find out. Either way, fitting all that in 1 cabinet is impressive.

Some noteable features: reverb, Tremolo, WAWWAW (no, not wah wah. WAW WAW)View attachment 4900054WAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA all night baby!

It's also just sliders. Not a knob in sight. Seriously, it's ALL sliders, or switches. Not 1 hecking knob.
View attachment 4900057
The seller was selling it as a bass amp, but I dont think it actually is. Atleast not in the modern sense of the word. Doesnt matter tho. It's in great condition, and I like it ALOT! I'll probably keep it as an allrounder amp, once I give it a good cleaning.
I can say this tho, there is no distortion in the sound, even at max level. And max level is LOUD.

It's in very good condition for the age, I'd say. Not a closet queen, but definitely not gigged that much.

I lucked out and got it for what I consider a very good price, but since it's impossible to find any recent sales online, it's hard to say for sure what it could be worth.

Anyway, I hope you enjoyed this. If theres any interest I'll update as I go in and clean and check the insides. Here's a picture of David Gilmour using one of these back in the day.
View attachment 4900052

Oh, and note the green/purple grill-cloth. Mmmm, smells like old basement.

Heres a clip of me testing out the WAW WAW:

More clips tomorrow, it's late here and I dont need another noise complaint. This thing already shakes the room at 3/10.


Acoustic 360s had the power amp in the cab as well. Like this Yamaha, the head is just a preamp.
 

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