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NAD: Genzler 350 combo

I’ve been playing the big brother - the Magellan 800 head and a single BA12-3 for some time now and love them but it has felt as if a smaller grab and go combo would be a good thing for my various uses. I’ve also had only one rig which meant more schlepping than I really wanted to do. I thought about one of the Fender Rumbles and tried them and liked them well enough for serious consideration. I also thought about the Carvin MB110. I had one of their acoustic guitar combos for a while and liked it a lot so thought that might be a reasonable choice as well.

Carvin went out of business which raised its own issues and the 110 combos sold out pretty quickly. I didn’t want the larger size combos - the 115 or 210 - so they were out of consideration. The Rumbles were still on the table for price, reasonably good sound, and a variety of choices in size & weight. As I said, I love my Genzler gear and the added flexibility of the removable head, basically the same preamp as the 800 with a smaller power amp section and minus the dirty channel (which I don’t use) pushed me in that direction. I figured this rig gives me multiple options - with the smaller head plus either cab or both cabs (there have been a number of reports that the BA12-3 and the BA10-2 play well together) and the bigger head with the larger cab or both cabs - so some six different configurations. I also figured that owning this little rig might give me more information for the future in case I want to upsize or downsize or both.

The amp arrived this week while I was out of town for a business meeting so I didn’t get to plug it in until today... played it a bit and man am I impressed. It does sound and feel like its bigger brother and is both bigger sounding and louder than I expected. My first impression is that this little guy would meet 90% of my uses and with a second little cab, likely all of them at this time.

The form factor is very cool. It is quite small and very light weight. If I remove the saddle and use it as a head/cab rather than a combo, the cab will slide under my bed which makes the spouse happy to not have more gear taking up space.

Tomorrow or Tuesday I’ll get to compare it to the larger rig and get a sense of how it differs other than volume and how the two cabs play together.

I also got the carry bag. It is seriously padded and well designed. The downside of all of the padding is that it is also significantly larger than I expected.

All in all, this is top shelf gear and for anyone who wants/needs a rig that sounds amazing, gets reasonably loud, has a small footprint, and is very schlepable, check it out.

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How in the world did I miss this?! And it was last year?! Man, I am slipping.

It looks as if the company split to the guitar and the amplification & electronics sides, the non-guitar side disappeared, is selling off all of their previous stock, and has reappeared with a scaled down product line and having abandoned any responsibility for warranty issues for the previous products. There are some older products still available but without warranty.
 
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I’ve been playing the big brother - the Magellan 800 head and a single BA12-3 for some time now and love them but it has felt as if a smaller grab and go combo would be a good thing for my various uses. I’ve also had only one rig which meant more schlepping than I really wanted to do. I thought about one of the Fender Rumbles and tried them and liked them well enough for serious consideration. I also thought about the Carvin MB110. I had one of their acoustic guitar combos for a while and liked it a lot so thought that might be a reasonable choice as well.

Carvin went out of business which raised its own issues and the 110 combos sold out pretty quickly. I didn’t want the larger size combos - the 115 or 210 - so they were out of consideration. The Rumbles were still on the table for price, reasonably good sound, and a variety of choices in size & weight. As I said, I love my Genzler gear and the added flexibility of the removable head, basically the same preamp as the 800 with a smaller power amp section and minus the dirty channel (which I don’t use) pushed me in that direction. I figured this rig gives me multiple options - with the smaller head plus either cab or both cabs (there have been a number of reports that the BA12-3 and the BA10-2 play well together) and the bigger head with the larger cab or both cabs - so some six different configurations. I also figured that owning this little rig might give me more information for the future in case I want to upsize or downsize or both.

The amp arrived this week while I was out of town for a business meeting so I didn’t get to plug it in until today... played it a bit and man am I impressed. It does sound and feel like its bigger brother and is both bigger sounding and louder than I expected. My first impression is that this little guy would meet 90% of my uses and with a second little cab, likely all of them at this time.

The form factor is very cool. It is quite small and very light weight. If I remove the saddle and use it as a head/cab rather than a combo, the cab will slide under my bed which makes the spouse happy to not have more gear taking up space.

Tomorrow or Tuesday I’ll get to compare it to the larger rig and get a sense of how it differs other than volume and how the two cabs play together.

I also got the carry bag. It is seriously padded and well designed. The downside of all of the padding is that it is also significantly larger than I expected.

All in all, this is top shelf gear and for anyone who wants/needs a rig that sounds amazing, gets reasonably loud, has a small footprint, and is very schlepable, check it out.

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..and I haven't had GAS in a while but I like that...ALOT!
I'm getting there too. Getting too old and crotchety to move anything over 30lbs.
So, what do the head and cab weigh??
 
..and I haven't had GAS in a while but I like that...ALOT!
I'm getting there too. Getting too old and crotchety to move anything over 30lbs.
So, what do the head and cab weigh??
The MG350 Combo is 25 lbs, well below your 30 lb crotchety threshold:thumbsup:.
 
I have the 10-2 cab and it's superb....louder, lower and more musical up top than the older Shuttle 10 cabs...plays gloriously well with either my Mesa Walkabout or D800+ on top for 5 string EB or my Emerald 5 string ABG.....enough for a "quiet" drummer in a small setting all on its' own.....small and 21 lbs!
 
I got to hear a 10-2 at a store and was very impressed. It was hooked to a MG800 though, so maybe that gave it a bit more fullness. While I like the idea of a 12-3 slant stack, I would be ecstatic if the 350 combo with an extra 10-2 could keep up with a rock drummer.
 
I used the 350 combo with my church band this past Sunday using my fretless Bee (in the avatar).

The first question is whether or not it was enough. Yes.

We play at a moderate volume but there was more than enough. Indeed I started out with the gain and the volume controls both at about 11:00 and the EQ all flat with the contour fully counter clockwise and the sound person told me I need to turn down a bit. FWIW, I generally do not put the bass through the FOH. It is a small room (seats 120) with excellent acoustics. Putting the bass through FOH would basically mean removing my speaker cab from the equation. I don’t want to do that. We don’t do IEM’s.
The rest of the instrumentation is drums, acoustic guitar, synth, and acoustic piano.

My first impressions are that the cab has a good deal less bottom end than the BA12-3 which makes it sound a bit more focused on the mids and a bit brighter. Not honky or boxy but leaning towards the mids. It sat very nicely in the mix though. Bringing the bass up a tiny bit and the trebles down or engaging the contour B a bit took it closer to what I like to hear. I should add that I’m not saying it is lacking in bottom end. It isn’t and punches WAY above its size class.

Today I had a few minutes to play with both the BA10-2 and the BA12-3 using the 350 head and my fretted Sire V7. No surprises. The BA12-3 does have more bottom end, is a bit louder, and is more round sounding. The BA10-2 is brighter and perhaps a bit more punchy. Like the BA 12-3, it sounds much bigger, deeper, louder than it looks. The two cabs seem to play together quite nicely although the sound of the BA12-3 dominates. Playing the two together does seem to me to be more than the sum of the parts. There seemed to be more of everything including the increased dispersion that one gets from the array. I expect the magic isn’t the same as having two BA12’s but it seems to still be there perhaps to a lesser degree. Playing the cabs together with the volume about 12:00 on the 350 head and everything else set as above was impressively loud.

So, conclusions... The 350 head is likely all the power I need for any of my uses. Since I already have the 800 head as well, I’ll likely keep it but if I were buying it today, I’d just get the 350. One of these days I may decide to sell the 800 and get a second 350... or maybe not. It is nice to have the extra power even if I never need it. The combo with the single BA10-2 likely also covers almost all and perhaps all of my current uses. A stack with two of the small cabs certainly would. I prefer the overall sound of the BA12-3 to the BA10-2. While the BA12 is certainly not a large footprint or overly heavy, I do have settings where the smaller footprint and easier schlepability are real pluses. So... a trade off. We’ll see over time how I feel about that. Saying that, I am sure there would be folk who would prefer the sound of the BA10 over the 12. Different strokes. For them, the small cab is a huge win win. For me, it is a small question. All in all, it is an amazing little piece of gear.

 
I used the 350 combo with my church band this past Sunday using my fretless Bee (in the avatar).

The first question is whether or not it was enough. Yes.

We play at a moderate volume but there was more than enough. Indeed I started out with the gain and the volume controls both at about 11:00 and the EQ all flat with the contour fully counter clockwise and the sound person told me I need to turn down a bit. FWIW, I generally do not put the bass through the FOH. It is a small room (seats 120) with excellent acoustics. Putting the bass through FOH would basically mean removing my speaker cab from the equation. I don’t want to do that. We don’t do IEM’s.
The rest of the instrumentation is drums, acoustic guitar, synth, and acoustic piano.

My first impressions are that the cab has a good deal less bottom end than the BA12-3 which makes it sound a bit more focused on the mids and a bit brighter. Not honky or boxy but leaning towards the mids. It sat very nicely in the mix though. Bringing the bass up a tiny bit and the trebles down or engaging the contour B a bit took it closer to what I like to hear. I should add that I’m not saying it is lacking in bottom end. It isn’t and punches WAY above its size class.

Today I had a few minutes to play with both the BA10-2 and the BA12-3 using the 350 head and my fretted Sire V7. No surprises. The BA12-3 does have more bottom end, is a bit louder, and is more round sounding. The BA10-2 is brighter and perhaps a bit more punchy. Like the BA 12-3, it sounds much bigger, deeper, louder than it looks. The two cabs seem to play together quite nicely although the sound of the BA12-3 dominates. Playing the two together does seem to me to be more than the sum of the parts. There seemed to be more of everything including the increased dispersion that one gets from the array. I expect the magic isn’t the same as having two BA12’s but it seems to still be there perhaps to a lesser degree. Playing the cabs together with the volume about 12:00 on the 350 head and everything else set as above was impressively loud.

So, conclusions... The 350 head is likely all the power I need for any of my uses. Since I already have the 800 head as well, I’ll likely keep it but if I were buying it today, I’d just get the 350. One of these days I may decide to sell the 800 and get a second 350... or maybe not. It is nice to have the extra power even if I never need it. The combo with the single BA10-2 likely also covers almost all and perhaps all of my current uses. A stack with two of the small cabs certainly would. I prefer the overall sound of the BA12-3 to the BA10-2. While the BA12 is certainly not a large footprint or overly heavy, I do have settings where the smaller footprint and easier schlepability are real pluses. So... a trade off. We’ll see over time how I feel about that. Saying that, I am sure there would be folk who would prefer the sound of the BA10 over the 12. Different strokes. For them, the small cab is a huge win win. For me, it is a small question. All in all, it is an amazing little piece of gear.


That really puts into perspective how small the footprint is on the 10-2 arrays when you see it on the 12-3 lol. I've owned 3 of the 12-3's and the weight and size was very small to what i gigged in the past but the tone and volume exceeded anything I've played through. It's hard to beat these cabinets.
 
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I got to hear a 10-2 at a store and was very impressed. It was hooked to a MG800 though, so maybe that gave it a bit more fullness. While I like the idea of a 12-3 slant stack, I would be ecstatic if the 350 combo with an extra 10-2 could keep up with a rock drummer.

I don't think the 800 would have made any difference in how the cab sounded. The 800 & 350 are pretty much the same except the lower power module and minus the dirty channel on the 350. At the same volume, playing clean, I don't think there would be any difference at all.

I also expect that two of the BA10-2's would hang with a rock drummer as long as he/she didn't play like a gorilla. At moderate levels, 1 should be enough.
 
I don't think the 800 would have made any difference in how the cab sounded. The 800 & 350 are pretty much the same except the lower power module and minus the dirty channel on the 350. At the same volume, playing clean, I don't think there would be any difference at all.

I also expect that two of the BA10-2's would hang with a rock drummer as long as he/she didn't play like a gorilla. At moderate levels, 1 should be enough.
Thanks for all your input...you help me.. Our Lord bless you!
 
I played my new Genzler 350 and 2 of the BA10-2 arrays this past Sunday with 2 different full loud bands and it easily hung and cut though easily with volume to spare. I'm a owner and gigged the Genzler 800 and 12-3 and 210 arrays for the past 2 years and this setup sounds just as good and cuts through effortlessly. I really couldn't believe what it puts out and the bands agreed that is sounded as good as my other Genzler rigs. You simply can't beat this little rig of doom lol.
 
I played my new Genzler 350 and 2 of the BA10-2 arrays this past Sunday with 2 different full loud bands and it easily hung and cut though easily with volume to spare. I'm a owner and gigged the Genzler 800 and 12-3 and 210 arrays for the past 2 years and this setup sounds just as good and cuts through effortlessly. I really couldn't believe what it puts out and the bands agreed that is sounded as good as my other Genzler rigs. You simply can't beat this little rig of doom lol.
Thanks you makes my choice much clearer...
 
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While I’m using my 12-3 for my weekly church gig and haven’t had much opportunity to let the 110-2 breath, I did play it a bit yesterday with the 350 head and my Sire (V7 4 string fretted) bass. I cut the trebles to about 11:00, turned the mid sweep to its highest setting and the level to 11:00, bass to 1:00, B contour about 10:30 and the passive tone down about 50% on the bass... and the volume to about the level I use on Sunday mornings or even a little higher... just gorgeous.

It takes a bit more eq to get the sound to where I want with this cab than with its bigger brother but I can get there... and it is amazing what this tiny cab can do. Footprint and schlepability are simply amazing