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NAD: SVT-CL!!

Glad mine came thru Ceva Freight with its own pallet ;) Ampeg knows how to box an SVT, I'll tell you that! Double boxed, lots of thick foam under, over, and around it.

It's not only about how the item is boxed. It's also about how the item is handled.

Maybe it's not fair to blame the guy who packaged the amp, when the real problem is how the package was mishandled.

I have had items shipped to me using bona fide freight services, where the merchandise is shipped on it's own pallet. With a freight service weight is not an issue when it comes to the safety of your package. Freight services use people with lifting machinery to lift heavy objects, and someone takes individualized effort to handle your specific pallet with a forklift. It always stays upright and it only gets handled / unloaded a minimum number of times, as the pallet is transported from one truck to another. Whenever it's being moved, the move is being performed by a human. There's a reason that freight service costs as much as it does. It's the safest way to move a package on a truck and you pay for that.

FedEx and UPS are the low cost providers. There is no real care that's afforded to your package. Packages that travel through these carriers have a weight limit placed on them because they're not being given individualized attention by people with lifting equipment. At UPS and FedEx much of the centralized package sorting at hubs is robotic. The box stops under a scanner for bar code reading and sorting to it's final destination. If the bar code isn't right side up, automated machinery flips your package and re-scans it, and keeps repeating the process until the bar code has been read. Then the package takes a big slide down a chute as it's sorted to it's final destination. All too often, heavy packages fall off of the conveyor system and hit the ground. When a human does handle your package, it's likely to be dropped when it weighs over 70 lb, because that's the upper limit on how packages are handled at places like UPS. If a package weighs 70 lb it gets tagged with special yellow-black tags to let the handler know that special lifting equipment is required. But UPS guys are so pressed for time that they often ignore the package handling warnings.

One of my SVTs looked like it did fine in transit until the final moment of delivery, when the UPS guy leaned over the hand truck and tilted it over to drop the box on my doorstep. He was too hurried and too lazy to do anything else. It landed with a bang as the box slapped the concrete. A freight service would have used a forklift to handle a palletized box.

It's important to understand that an SVT is a heavy enough item where you need to consider using different shipping methods. It shouldn't be shipped by a carrier whose system is optimized for handling shoeboxes.

It's important to bear in mind that people who ship extremely heavy items via FedEx and UPS are doing so because they want to choose the low cost provider. Don't be surprised when low cost gets you marginal quality. It shouldn't come as a surprise when something goes wrong that would have been avoidable if a better shipping service had been used.

I used to be the same way -- I thought of UPS and Fedex for everything -- but I've just learned too many lessons the hard way.
 
I've had FexEx turn down claims with incredibly good packaging, as well as turning down claims when I paid FedEx to do the packaging.

As an example of the first case, I had a friend ship a flat panel to me, and he put it in an overiszed box with 10-inches of foam on each side. Not kidding -- he paid $25 for one of those giant 30" FedEx boxes and then he went to Home Depot and bought a couple of sheets of 4x8 foam panels and cut them down to line the box. The box arrived with a destroyed monitor and FedEx refused to pay the claim because there were "no signs of exterior damage" to the shipping container, even though the panel had been jarred hard enough to damage it.

As an example of the second case, we re-shipped another item and paid FedEx to do the packaging, under the mistaken belief that they would be more likely to assume responsibility for damage. They did a really slipshod job of packaging. They charged us $25 for the same oversized box, and then just poured peanuts into it, and added the flat panel with some bubble wrap around it. It got destroyed as well. Once again, they refused to pay the claim because there were "no signs of external damage" to the shipping container. It's as if G-forces don't count to them.

Good luck with your claim. This is the time where everyone starts pointing their finger at the other guy.
 
if the case on yr amp isn't broken then i'd just let the tech check it over
check tubes, adjust bias, clean grounds and inspect for anything damaged, tighten up some screws maybe.
same thing you were going to have done anyway. don't even bother with the hassle of a claim unless it turns out something major is wrong and you are confident you can get money from fedex for it...it will be a drawn out process i'd imagine.
 
I went through a horrible time with my FedEx claim. When I pushed, they wanted to inspect the flat panels, so they sent a truck to pick them up. I put them back into their original packaging, carefully packing them properly to protect them in transit. They got trucked back to FedEx. FedEx denied the claim.

When I got them back, the monitors were in worse condition than they were when I sent them out. The panels were shattered and the cases were broken open so that the innards were loose in the box. What I got back was a box of broken pieces. It was as if the people at FedEx took turns throwing the monitors to the concrete out of spite, purposefully destroying them, and then shovelled the parts into the box, poured some peanuts on top, and sent them back to me.

My only option was a lawsuit in small claims court. That was complicated by the fact that FedEx argued that I had no right to receive the claim because I was not the shipping client. I had to deliver power of attorney forms to settle the claim. The damages to the merchandise were so ridiculous that the judge couldn't believe his eyes.

Unless there's something seriously wrong with your amp, this you could end up chasing windmills out of principle. Having done that, I'd just cut my losses. That sucks, but life is short and your time probably isn't worth the effort to recover the loss unless it's pretty significant. FexEx knows this. It's part of their settlement plan.

Good luck.
 
I have the greatest sympathy for your situation and it is nearly impossible to ensure that someone else packs your new purchase well.

Having said that, I shipped my SVT and cab via UPS to Miami and then it got on a freight ship there and spent a week at sea, unloaded onto a truck and taken to a warehouse where I picked it up. It was just fine. Why? Because I packed each piece into a custom made crate/pallet made out of plywood and 2x's. With no room for the goods to move at all inside and no way anything is going to crush them, they're going to fare pretty well. I wouldn't consider shipping any other way.
 
About 5 years ago, I bought an SVT 6 Pro from someone in California. It arrived packed very similarly to how yours was packed. I contacted him and he claimed that he dropped it off at UPS and had it professionally packed. The only problem was that during a phone conversation with him he mentioned that he worked in the parts department at a Chrysler dealership. The box the amp came in had Chrysler logos on it as did some of the packing material he used. The amp was fine and I have never had a problem with it.
 
I'm sure the amp is fine, maybe some minor sort of minor repair worst case scenario. Now my mind has wandered into whether or not I should leave him negative feedback. Even if there's is absolutely nothing wrong with it and it works perfectly, shouldn't I leave a negative feedback to warn other TB members about this member's carelessness when it comes to shipping? Also, if I leave him a negative feedback, he will just leave me one too and I don't want any negative feedback ya know?

So I look to you long time members and old wiseman, what shall I do?
 
Right now I'm dealing with a similar problem -- I just bought a minty thin-necked American Jazz bass, only to have it arrive with a blown-out skunk stripe because of the way it was packed. The seller did a good job, packing extremely well for anything but a direct on-end drop on the headstock. Wouldn't you know it, the guitar took a direct drop on the headstock and it cracked the neck apart at the skunk stripe. Sometimes a seller can do a conscientious job and you just get handed a bag of lemons because the delivery companies suck at what they do.

I honestly meant it when I said that these amps are so heavy that you can take great care to pack them at the originating end of their journey, only to have them look like hell when they arrive at the other end. IME it's entirely possible that the seller did a good job of packaging the amp, and that the sheer weight of the amp, combined with poor handling, trashed the packing materials to the point that it looks like he did a poor job.

Bottom line: If the amp is OK then the packing was sufficient. Don't look for a place to pin the blame. Just count your blessings and move on.
 
UPDATE:

I got the amp back from the tech last night... $406 later...He had to replace the fan, which sounded like a jet plane taking off, he had to re-solder countless solder joints, he replaced a bunch of bad resistors, and replaced the power tubes. Now before anyone goes freaking out about replacing the tubes, he didn't try to rip me off. He told me he tested the tubes and they were at about 15-20% distortion and he RECOMMENDED that I replace them, but I didn't have to if I didn't want to. I figured I would because they are 10 years old and once I relaxed them, I'd pretty much have a brand new amp, so that's what I did.

I brought it immediately to our practice space, hooked everything up, and I swear to you the second I hit the first note, my life changed forever. I have NEVER heard such amazing tone, EVER! This is the first time I've ever owned a tube amp and I totally get it now, there is no replacement for actual tubes, my lord did it sound amazing. Also, I don't know who in their right mind can say that this thing isn't loud enough, I had the gain around 230 and I couldn't get the master past 9'o clock without tearing my own face off with sound waves. I know it's an age old argument, but there HAS TO BE some truth to the "tube watts are louder than SS watts argument. My 7pro is 1000 watts and using the same 810, I have crank my 7 pro to around noon to get the same volume I was getting at 9 ' o'clock with the SVT.

So yeah, that's it, I have found my tone and the search is over, VeganThump out... (drops mic and walks off stage)
 
UPDATE:

I got the amp back from the tech last night... $406 later...He had to replace the fan, which sounded like a jet plane taking off, he had to re-solder countless solder joints, he replaced a bunch of bad resistors, and replaced the power tubes. Now before anyone goes freaking out about replacing the tubes, he didn't try to rip me off. He told me he tested the tubes and they were at about 15-20% distortion and he RECOMMENDED that I replace them, but I didn't have to if I didn't want to. I figured I would because they are 10 years old and once I relaxed them, I'd pretty much have a brand new amp, so that's what I did.

I brought it immediately to our practice space, hooked everything up, and I swear to you the second I hit the first note, my life changed forever. I have NEVER heard such amazing tone, EVER! This is the first time I've ever owned a tube amp and I totally get it now, there is no replacement for actual tubes, my lord did it sound amazing. Also, I don't know who in their right mind can say that this thing isn't loud enough, I had the gain around 230 and I couldn't get the master past 9'o clock without tearing my own face off with sound waves. I know it's an age old argument, but there HAS TO BE some truth to the "tube watts are louder than SS watts argument. My 7pro is 1000 watts and using the same 810, I have crank my 7 pro to around noon to get the same volume I was getting at 9 ' o'clock with the SVT.

So yeah, that's it, I have found my tone and the search is over, VeganThump out... (drops mic and walks off stage)

Nice one bud! It is awesome when it all comes together. Hopefully you got a decent enough deal that even with $406 in (think 60% was probably tubes anyway that you would have had to replace sooner or later) you will never think about the bad parts of the experience again.

You made the right call on the tubes. I was talking to my amp tech yesterday that was saying that in the end one of the things that gives Ampeg SVTs their bad rap of reliability is that 6550s are so expensive that people run them until one fails. Which then strains the amp badly.

What are you using with it cab wise?

Like you I was lucky enough to get my first SVT a few weeks ago. I had been graced with them in backline here and there but I never had my own. I love it. It will naturally take me time to get it totally dialed in but even right out of the packing box it sounded great.

Something I learned on here is that one way of running them to make them sound like the originals is to open the master all the way and regulate volume with the gain knob. I usually end up with the gain knob at around 10-11 pm.
 
I'm using an Ampeg 810e with it, which just kills in and of itself, now the the SVT it roars. I didn't get a pretty good deal on it so after dropping the extra cash, I think I got a good deal for basically a brand new SVT ya know?

I have heard some people like to get more clean headroom by diming the master and using the gain to control volume, I'll have to try next practice, but truthfully I didn't mind the grit I was getting with the gain at 230 so we shall see. All in all I'm really happy with how everything turned out but I really wasn't anticipating spending that extra cash and I feel like some of the things that needed fixing, ie the fan, could have been avoided by proper packaging.
 
I had a Trace Elliot V6 arrive demolished. I haven't bought a tube amp on a private sale since. One that has to be shipped that is.

On to your amp: I'm sure they will get it "tight and right"; don't worry.

They are great amps too. Enjoy it. :bassist:
 
Hey VeganThump, thats great everything worked out. I'm am going through the same exact thing with a old Bassman head that was "Professionally Packed" by UPS. Currently in the claims process.
I'm also from South Jersey, who did you take your SVT to for the work? Everytime I've needed amp work I have to travel up towards NY City, so Im looking for a good tech a little closer. thx
 
It's good that you've got it all sorted out and are enjoying the amp.

A trip to the tech is necessary with any new old amp. That is part of the cost of buying a used amp. The roaring fan is par for the course on some of these amps. Unless it was rubbing on the frame when you received it, the fan may have been like that before it was shipped.

I think that the biggest lesson learned is that when being shipped anything, you have to be proactive in ensuring that the seller is going to pack your item properly. Specify exactly how you want it packed, no peanuts, double boxed, padding, etc. Don't assume that they will do it right. Take the time to spell it out in detail. If they don't follow your instructions and there is an issue, it will help if you have to make a claim.
 
Hey VeganThump, thats great everything worked out. I'm am going through the same exact thing with a old Bassman head that was "Professionally Packed" by UPS. Currently in the claims process.

I'm also from South Jersey, who did you take your SVT to for the work? Everytime I've needed amp work I have to travel up towards NY City, so Im looking for a good tech a little closer. thx


Danny's Amp Service in Pennsauken, NJ, awesome guy and I had it back in 3 days.