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NBD: BlackStar CarryOn Sub-scale

Any update on the strings? Its the only thing really holding me back on this purchase.
I have not heard back about his search, but I have also been out of the country for the past 10 days. I plan to follow up when I get back home. Will keep you posted. I Can totally understand your wanting to have a string source before purchase
 
String search update.
I ordered a set of Gold Tone MBLS flat wound strings since they fit on a few other sub-short scale basses.

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It looks like the A and D strings will work out just fine. I think that the G string will survive since there is no taper to speak of.
But the E string is going to be more problematic.

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I might look at seeing if I can somehow extend the ball 2.5" more beyond the bridge either by a tube or by angle drill through the body and install a ferrule. There may not be quite enough body space to make that happen however. I am a bit stumped here at this point. Can one unwrap a couple inches of the flat portion of the wind then solder the end and make that work?

I have sent an inquiry to Newtone Strings to see if they have anything in their catalog that might work.
 
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if I can somehow extend the ball 2.5" more beyond the bridge either by a tube or by angle drill through the body and install a ferrule. There may not be quite enough body space to make that happen however.
Here's two more ideas:
- drill the diagonal canal and, if it's not enough, remove the E-string tuner at the headstock, plug the hole and drill a new one a bit farther from the nut/closer to the A-string - in practive, a combination of my older (diagonal-stringthru) and my newer (1+3-headstock) suggestions;
- cut a surface canal behind the bridge, a trench that follows the body curve past the edge and to the left of the strap button. Place the ferrule, or perhaps a sizable piece of metal with a hole in the middle acting as one, there ( = wherever appropriate for the string to taper correctly at the other end), having the curved profile of the trench take up the length needed.
 
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Birdsong does this where they have the low string go through body but the anchor point for the ball end is closer to the neck to take up additional string length. That's the route I would go were I designing and manufacturing super short scale basses: make it easy as heck to use standard, short scale, or custom strings.

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String search update.
I ordered a set of Gold Tone MBLS flat wound strings since they fit on a few other sub-short scale basses.

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It looks like the A and D strings will work out just fine. I think that the G string will survive since there is no taper to speak of.
But the E string is going to be more problematic.

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I might look at seeing if I can somehow extend the ball 2.5" more beyond the bridge either by a tube or by angle drill through the body and install a ferrule. There may not be quite enough body space to make that happen however. I am a bit stumped here at this point. Can one unwrap a couple inches of the flat portion of the wind then solder the end and make that work?

I have sent an inquiry to Newtone Strings to see if they have anything in their catalog that might work.
If you want to reduce the diameter at the headstock end, carefully measure and mark where you want to stop unwinding, apply some glue or solder at that point, let it dry, then carefully unwrap. I would also put some shrink tubing over the point where you stop unwrapping as extra security against the string coming undone. All that said, never done it with a flatwound, and it might be a disaster waiting to happen.
 
If you want to reduce the diameter at the headstock end, carefully measure and mark where you want to stop unwinding, apply some glue or solder at that point, let it dry, then carefully unwrap.
Good ideas. secure the new end first, then unwrap. Got it.

I would also put some shrink tubing over the point where you stop unwrapping as extra security against the string coming undone.
I seem to recall an image someone posted of this. It is in my thoughts for sure.

All that said, never done it with a flatwound, and it might be a disaster waiting to happen.
I spent nearly my entire engineering career designing and performing experiments that could be disasters waiting to happen, so this is right up my alley. If I go this route, I will certainly let folks know.
 
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Birdsong does this where they have the low string go through body but the anchor point for the ball end is closer to the neck to take up additional string length. That's the route I would go were I designing and manufacturing super short scale basses: make it easy as heck to use standard, short scale, or custom strings.

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I thought about this as an option as well, but I am not sure what the minimum radius of curvature is for a flat wound E string. That would certainly factor into how this option might work.
 
I thought about this as an option as well, but I am not sure what the minimum radius of curvature is for a flat wound E string. That would certainly factor into how this option might work.
Yeah, a flatwound definitely needs a gentle curvature, which is why some flatwounds say they aren't good for through-body stringing.
 
Got this delivered yesterday. Been looking for something that I can take with me in the truck and hotel rooms. The Kala UBass has been good, but I really want something that feels more like a bass.

Ordered from Gear4Music on 04Sep23. U$D220 + 44 shipping from UK = U$D263.20 to my door.
Arrived 14Sep23. Boxed nicely. No shipping damage.

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weighs in at 2.947kg in useful units, 6lb8oz in Imperial
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scale is right around 24 inches (61cm)
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overall length is 32.5 inches (82.5cm)
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nut and string spacing
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A couple issues out of the box.
1) the volume knob was not installed. I did find it in the bubble bag. I loosened the set screw and pushed onto the pot shaft. But as you can see, is does not seat all the way down equal to the tone knob. Not sure this is an issue, but did notice it.
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The nut appears to be glued in adequately, but the slots are not cut very well. A string slot is quite wide, D string slot I will likely widen a bit. I pulled the strings up and penciled the slots for a little lube. You can also see a small chip off the slot on the E String.

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The frets feel smooth without any rough edges or burrs. Finger board feels pretty decent. I am not finding any buzzy frets at this point. It does have a little bit of neck dive with a cheap 2" web strap. I have straplocs on order. I hope that will help a little bit on the small bass.

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And the group photo with Kala UBass, CarryOn, G2220 short scale, and 4HH.

I think it will be great for playing on the road. It can easily fit in an overhead bin. Now to find a bag for this little guy.

I was thinking about the St Blackstar after purchasing one of their travel guitars (okoume body, glued neck etc) which is very impressive. I took my short (30") fretless with DiMarzio pb pickup as a comparison. Funnily enough the ST had the volume knob missing (was in the plastic bag too). Perhaps they don't have faith in that part of the product.

I found the tone brittle. The bass is far heavier than my 30" fretless. I have demurred on purchase. The travel guitar came with a lovely soft bag, so expected the Blackstar to have one.
I wil be looking at the Kala, which also has regular strings and a pb pickup.
 
Picked up a set of KA-Bass-4-SC strings from Kala. I was hoping to put the Kala flats on this CarryOn, but they have not been in stock in months.
Question, what string heights and neck relief should I start with when I adjust during the string replacement? Use the same as a full scale bass?