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NCAA Bowl Season 2011

#262
aborgman said:
I just find the myopia and homerism of many SEC folks to be absolutely hilarious, and there is nothing in the world I love more than figuratively "poking a beehive with a stick".

It's kind of like winding up religious fanatics.
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aborgman said:
If there were folks to wind up like SEC fans get if you even suggest their conference isn't more powerful and dominate long term than the Roman Empire in cancer research, I probably would have a cure by now.
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Ah, the old "they're so sensitive, while I don't care, so I win!" Internet argument. That's the argument trolls resort to. Never mind all the time they put into "winding up" other people.

It's funny how you claim some SEC fans are homers and try to call them out on selective use of data--yet you do the very same thing all the time. It's funny how you claim they're fanatical while you post over and over and over, relentlessly--while always, ALWAYS, stating your opinion as if it were fact. Yadda yadda yadda, dude.
 
#263
GregC said:
Ah, the old "they're so sensitive, while I don't care, so I win!" Internet argument.
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No... the old "they're so oversensitive they froth at the mouth and it's absolutely hilarious" argument.

GregC said:
That's the argument trolls resort to. Never mind all the time they put into "winding up" other people.
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Time well spent for the entertainment it provides. Lessons into objectivity of the fanatic.

GregC said:
It's funny how you claim some SEC fans are homers and try to call them out on selective use of data--yet you do the very same thing all the time.
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It only takes one data point to disprove something. It takes infinite data points to prove something.


GregC said:
It's funny how you claim they're fanatical while you post over and over and over, relentlessly--while always, ALWAYS, stating your opinion as if it were fact.
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Ah... I lack the uncritical zeal necessary for a real fanatic.

My team ain't the best. My team makes mistakes. My team has players that are thugs. My team has players that are poor students. My team is powerful partially because of money. My team has had d-bag coaches...

And while I'll argue about football conference dominance - I do so because I enjoy the argument, not because I'm invested in it.

It's the personal investment in the whole thing that I find most hilarious.
 
#266
Eublet said:
You better get cracking then...
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I'm not trying to prove anything... just deflate the "the SEC is the dominate (sic) conference today, yesterday, and throughout history" balloon.

I mean... I'm the guy who has said:

1) The SEC is currently the most powerful conference
2) The SEC has decided inbuilt advantages to success over most conferences
3) The SEC is currently on a run that has only been equaled a couple times in college football.

...but even THAT isn't blowing enough smoke up the butt of the SEC for SEC homers. The SEC has to be the best conference EVAR and has been the dominant conference in every single season since the invention of football and when they weren't it was because somehow they were cheated out of their rightful dominance.

It's hilarious.
 
#270
Eublet said:
I think we're missing each other. Domination comes and goes, and the SEC is currently on an unprecedented run. What I'm saying is that the SEC has always been regarded by most as the most consistently tough conference in the country. That doesn't mean we don't have down years, or that other conferences don't have great years. But competition in the SEC is typically tougher than anywhere else, and has been for as long as I can remember, for all the reasons I've listed. It doesn't mean we are better than anyone else. I think this is where non-SEC'ers get their feelings hurt or something.

Also, the SEC hasn't always had a long list of dominant programs nationally either. LSU and Florida both had very little success nationally prior to the 90's. The same could be said for Georgia and Tennessee. Auburn has never had a national presence in terms of championships. Really only Bama was a national power, yet they teams have been consistently big and caused problems for others outside their conference.

Now, in the last 20 years or so, the rise of LSU and Florida has been remarkable. Throw in that Tennessee and Auburn have also won national championships in that time, along with Bama of course. We've seen Ole Miss in the top 10, Miss St in the top 10, Arkansas in the top 10, South Carolina in the Top 10, along with Kentucky and Vanderbilt both in the top 25. That's quite remarkable, and spans a period of time much larger than the last 4 or 5 years which really should be longer. Never mind that LSU won in 2003, and Auburn should have played for the championship in 2004, many thinking they would have won.
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Now THIS is the kind of response I was hoping for. I don't agree with all of it, but I get where you're coming from. I was beginning to think this thread was going the way of the ill-fated Beatles thread in Miscellaneous. I LOVE debating this stuff. Let's keep it alive!
 
#271
Eublet said:
As someone who's lived in Big 10 and Big 12 country (Columbus, OH, Springfield, MO, and Moore, Oklahoma) I can assure you that fan passion was no where near SEC levels even though I was within biking distance of Ohio State and Oklahoma. Now granted, their are rabid fans of most every team out there, but the casual person walking around town might not even give a flip about their local team. You can't live in Alabama without having a diehard allegiance. In Lousianna and Southern Mississippi, most every other car you pass has an LSU tag or some kind of emblem on it. Georgia fans are hard to avoid anywhere in their state, and you'll see Volunteer stuff throughout Tennessee. The women and children are rabid about it, not just the male sport nut types.

I really don't think folks will ever truly understand this until they move down south. Don't take a homer's word for it like me. Just listen to talk radio. I don't mean something like Finebaum, but a national show. Try Bill King's show for example. Or Jack Arute, or anything else. You'll here those guys say there is nothing like SEC country with regard to fanaticism. I don't know how else to explain this.
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Okay, now you're making me want to go down South and catch a game next season (wearing neutral gear, of course!).:D
 
#280
ESPN aired the 30-for-30 episode "The Best That Never Was" again last night. I watched it again, and enjoyed it as much as last time.

Even better was "SEC Storied: The Play That Changed College Football", the episide on the 1992 SECCG. Anyone else watch it?

-Mike
 

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