Here's another take on it. Does anyone here gig a pair Berg 112s and think the 28 or 2x18 can replace the bergs? Or would it take the 28+18 to get there. Or not?
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NCD - MAS (Michael Arnopol Soundworks) 1,8
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I have not played an upright through the 1,8 but I have heard on some posts that it is a great upright cab, too. I think Mike A uses upright on his 1,8. In regards to the Berg A / B testing - I have not seen any threads about it. You might want to post the question to the general MAS Thread - Big E Speakers Part 4 - Quadraphenia.Thanks BJazz72, I had an appointment to hook up w/an owner when I was in SF a month ago but it didn't work out. And yes I've read that thread probably twice and every other one about these MAS cabs of all iterations from the onset. As well as being very interested Dukes cabs at (AK).
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MarkA, the unusual lack of needing coupling, is curious, as are many things about all the MAS products. I rather enjoy the coupling effect usually. In fact I played a low to medium volume gig tonight and brought in both 112s because I was parked a few feet from the stage. I set up and plugged the top cab only. The second we started in knew it was a mistake as the bass was weak in this room. So, plug the bottom one in second tune all good. Hard to imagine such a diminutive cab especially a 18 sounding very large in bottom end when being elevated and filling the room. I suspect the 18 would probably be the ultimate upright bass cab. I'm sure Mike gigs his Accoustic more than I and could comment, I think he did on one thread. I would really like to believe 2-1/8s or a 2/8 could do most of my jobs.
And I hear what you're saying, MA re: setting one on the floor and one on a stand. It's a rather foreign concept not to say I couldn't get used to it. I'm already thinking about stands haha. Two seperates would make easy load ins. I'm one of "injured back" guys that don't want to lift weights to gig.
Oh, and MarkA I have made a couple of my own Ampwedge clones. But I'm such an old cheapo I usually use what's available. Like tonight I needed to to tilt the monitor up so a shot glass did the trick.
Really not sure if they were meant to be stacked this way but they seem more stable than before.
...MarkA, the unusual lack of needing coupling, is curious, as are many things about all the MAS products. I rather enjoy the coupling effect usually. In fact I played a low to medium volume gig tonight and brought in both 112s because I was parked a few feet from the stage. I set up and plugged the top cab only. The second we started in knew it was a mistake as the bass was weak in this room. So, plug the bottom one in second tune all good. Hard to imagine such a diminutive cab especially a 18 sounding very large in bottom end when being elevated and filling the room. I suspect the 18 would probably be the ultimate upright bass cab. I'm sure Mike gigs his Accoustic more than I and could comment, I think he did on one thread. I would really like to believe 2-1/8s or a 2/8 could do most of my jobs.
And I hear what you're saying, MA re: setting one on the floor and one on a stand. It's a rather foreign concept not to say I couldn't get used to it. I'm already thinking about stands haha. Two seperates would make easy load ins. I'm one of "injured back" guys that don't want to lift weights to gig.
Oh, and MarkA I have made a couple of my own Ampwedge clones. But I'm such an old cheapo I usually use what's available. Like tonight I needed to to tilt the monitor up so a shot glass did the trick.
Hey, before the Ampwedge (purchased used on TB), I used doorstops and actually used a shoe once or twice to tilt up a cab -- wasn't kidding about the doorstops and only half-kidding about the shoe!
To be clear, the MAS cabs I've used do couple with the floor -- more apparent low end when set on the floor than when elevated -- they just don't seem to be as dependent on it to achieve a present low end.
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Good question, maybe depending on which Berg series and what exactly a player is looking for. A pair of Berg 112 cabinets probably Push more low mids and hence might feel louder but I had the 28 kicking with 1200 Watts on a loud gig and it just thumped, albeit in a more refined way than my berg cabs.
My .02...I have run the 1.8 very very loudly for a a few hours with no issues whatsoever...I believe that panel just doesn't vibrate at all
I have played a small bar with the 18 in monitor setup with a laptop to hold my amp and it seems like that could work well in a situation where you needed it as a good monitorI fear your rig, and possibly the 28 as well will be so far below ear level, that it would be even more difficult to to hear clearly. Please explain how this will not be the case.
Otherwise yes the b28 on a chair makes for an awesome live playing experience and you will have zero problems hearing...last two weeks have played shows with 28 just on the ground and am getting comments about how it must be run through the pa because it covers so well...that cab just,covers everywhere and I believe it's eveb more apparent from the audience perspective
@J.Wolf , were you running the 28 (Bodai or MAS?) elevated or on the floor? @golfnsubie, since you've run your 28 both ways, how does running on the floor compare with elevated?
Also, thanks to @BostonJazz72 for being so indulgent with the photos!
For those playing mental Jenga with the cabs, Mike did mention the possibility, some posts up, of building the 18 with a flat top (don't think that means a flat back, though). So far, just based on looks/ anticipated stability, the first way BostonJazz72 stacked them (ports aligned as on the MAS 28) is the most appealing to me, but probably every configuration will sound a little different/offer some subtle advantage.
Also, thanks to @BostonJazz72 for being so indulgent with the photos!
For those playing mental Jenga with the cabs, Mike did mention the possibility, some posts up, of building the 18 with a flat top (don't think that means a flat back, though). So far, just based on looks/ anticipated stability, the first way BostonJazz72 stacked them (ports aligned as on the MAS 28) is the most appealing to me, but probably every configuration will sound a little different/offer some subtle advantage.
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There are few ways to optimally combine the M1,8s and get enough upsplay for close monitoring.
1. Side by side: The loudspeakers can be placed side by side in normal position or in monitor position.
2. Side and top: lay one M1,8 on its side and place the second on top in either normal (standard) position or monitor position
1. Side by side: The loudspeakers can be placed side by side in normal position or in monitor position.
2. Side and top: lay one M1,8 on its side and place the second on top in either normal (standard) position or monitor position
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I had mine on a gramma on the floor.
Was messing around with the b28 yesterday with the quilter. That is one loud and deep little cab! Pretty shocking, really.
MarkA the differences are not much in my experience..cab (B28) doesn't lose much bottom if at all when elevated....you're able to hear the mids better when its up on chair if your right on top of it and it sounds great as a player this way...but honestly if you're able to stand ten feet away from the cab on the floor (I usually cannot) it sounds pretty damn similar...both times in the last two weeks where I have had other musicians ask me about how i was running through the pa because of the coverage the cab was actually on the floor...if I'm on a stage of any sorts I like to get the cab up off but on concrete or flooring I have no issues just putting the cab right on the floor....
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with how dramatically different the flex top sounded when on the floor vs on a chair, I'd be curious to try this with the B28. The Flex top by itself sounded SO much more balanced and punchy when elevated, with plenty of bottom. On the floor it sounded not nearly as balanced.
No worries. Kind of fun playing Jenga with these speakers. However, I believe I will just keep them vertical or one stacked on a chair and other on the floor.
Thanks, all. I'm confident that the cab will sound great elevated don't doubt that it would work well on the floor, too. Just trying to figure out the degree and quality of the difference.
Re. the Flex, I'm not sure if I ever ran the top by itself on the floor. I did run the top and sub on the floor a few times and thought they sounded good, but elevating them did work better in some rooms/on some stages, and I might have preferred it that way overall.
My 112, though, always on the floor (though some folks have elevated them and put them horizontal) and I thought the Bodai 110 and MAS 18 sounded good that way, too.
Re. the Flex, I'm not sure if I ever ran the top by itself on the floor. I did run the top and sub on the floor a few times and thought they sounded good, but elevating them did work better in some rooms/on some stages, and I might have preferred it that way overall.
My 112, though, always on the floor (though some folks have elevated them and put them horizontal) and I thought the Bodai 110 and MAS 18 sounded good that way, too.
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