neck dive

[Hundred proof]

Neck dive is not a problem (go figure) both strap attachments are above the center

 

[HaphAsSard]

there's always somebody claiming their thunderbirds don't neck dive [...] and I'm always like
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As I'd already pointed out to you,
I've seen *pictures* of them:

Gibson neck dive....not my Gibsons

Many Just Don't Get IT, Gibson Thunderbird

[The former poster even made a point of taking the pic with a slippery nylon strap, since other replies weren't above suggesting his earlier ones were doctored through his use of a grippy strap.]
So there are exceptions to every "rule".

, or that neck dive is subjective, or that it doesn't matter,

I mean, those that say it doesn't exist are weird, but if it doesn't bother them,
1) more power to them
2) they've probably never held a long scale Gibson or Epiphone EB3.

 

[Watchootognbout]

Many unconsciously(or consciously)compensate neck dive by lifting with the fretting hand and pushing down by the plucking arm.

Some don't realize they were doing it until they play a bass that doesn't have to be supported while fretting.
And are relieved.

The difference is like wiggling your fingers while holding a 2X4.
Which causes extra forearm muscle tension.
And wiggling them without holding one.

Most want their fretting to be as effortless as can be.
Or so one would think.

 

[Highs&Lows]

To anyone sensitive to neck dive I can only recommend trying headless basses. It has made all the difference to me. I am not saying there arent well designed basses with headstocks that dont neck dive. But with a headless design the weight distribution is different and I havent encountered a headless bass that had neck dive issues,....except maybe the Steinberger Basses without that "strap extender". A headless bass where the upper horn extends to somewhere around the 12-14th fret should not have any of those issues.

 

[ctmullins]

I have one headless build on which I used the heavy ABM bridgetuners. It actually suffers from neck float!! It's perfect on a strap, but I can barely play it seated….