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need djent bass tone.

#81
mysticblaze said:
I can't really afford a b7k rn anything a big cheaper I have a lot of a tech death stuff.
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Really with a GK you have good enough equipment to take your time looking for a deal on quality gear that will serve you well. On your GK disable any knob or button that gives "contour" and focus your EQ on the low mids. Then crank your gain and boost and temper the volume with the woofer or master knob. Experiment while jamming with the band, remembering to complement, not compete with, the guitars. Also if you want to go cheap you can get an MXR bass DI, plug your bass into it and plug the box directly into your fx return jack. Use the distortion channel and turn the blend way down. The MXR is cheap but effective. Happy Djenting!:bassist:
 
#82
I would think between the stuff you listed in your first post and the Sansamp you should be able to dial it in pretty good, maybe just adding a quick compressor like the MXR Bass Compressor would be all you needed. How are you setting everything up?
 
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Clef_de_fa said:




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Man, Mick Gordon is also one of those guys who did a great job at showcasing Djent to a more mainstream audience. His work on that whole OST was incredible and totally musical. I think most of Talkbass is beyond bashing entire genres, but for the minority who still do check out this OST and listen to how musical Djent can be (bonus points for actually playing the game).

The Doom theme also makes for a great A/B of what makes Djent different a different genre than metal.

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To put this back on topic, the low guitars and electronics compensate for the lack of bass here. I guess sometimes the right bass tone for Djent is no tone.
 
#86
Skybone said:
OK, so, "Djent" needs 8 string guitars & 6 string basses.

How come they only tend to use the bottom end?

You want melodic metal? Listen to Carcass circa 1994, 6 string guitars, 4 string bass, heavy and melodic.
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I wouldn't say it "needs" 8 string guitars but extended range guitars are definitely a big part of the genre. I'm not sure what you're talking about with using the bottom end. Pretty much all metal will predominantly use the lower range of the instrument.

Djent and Melodic Death Metal have pretty much nothing to do with one another one than being largely founded in Sweden. As to your 6 string comment, plenty of early MDM bands tuned to C or C#. I'm fairly certain they would have used or experimented with 7 strings had they been more common and affordable in Europe at the time.
 
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Listening to the new Doom thing...that is definitely not Djent. It's very cool electronic music, but it's definitely not the song to compare to a metalized version of the original theme to explain what "djent" is.

Djent can be very musical, since a lot of the newer bands use melodic vocals, but the foundation is just super syncopated low notes in odd rhythms. For bass, that mostly just means a grindy-sounding distortion.
 
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Skybone said:
OK, so, "Djent" needs 8 string guitars & 6 string basses.

How come they only tend to use the bottom end?

You want melodic metal? Listen to Carcass circa 1994, 6 string guitars, 4 string bass, heavy and melodic.
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Man I love Carcass but it's disingenuous to hear a band like Animals As Leaders and claim they're only using the bottom end of their instruments. Tosin is truly playing some next level stuff. The groundwork for the djent thing was for sure laid by the melodic and tech death bands of the late 80s/early 90s but they're pushing it forward in new interesting ways. What's nice too is that a lot of those older bands are still making exciting, relevant music too-Gorguts spring to mind as an example.

OP I forgot to ask, are you primarily playing with a pick or your fingers, and what kind of strings are you running? Sorry if this has been covered, I've been poking in and out of this thread at different times.
 
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skydivingninja said:
Listening to the new Doom thing...that is definitely not Djent. It's very cool electronic music, but it's definitely not the song to compare to a metalized version of the original theme to explain what "djent" is.

Djent can be very musical, since a lot of the newer bands use melodic vocals, but the foundation is just super syncopated low notes in odd rhythms. For bass, that mostly just means a grindy-sounding distortion.
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I agree that its more electronic than Djent's typical instrumentation, however I do find it's as good a representation of how Djent evolved from traditional metal as you'll find in an A/B format. That said, I don't mean to sound standoffish so if you have a better one I'd love to hear so I can show others.

But I mean, c'mon. Matt Halpern is playing on it now, so it has to be Djent ;)
 
#91
jimfist said:
I'm sure you're right. I'm sure I just got a bad impression somewhere along the way and never gave it much of a chance. I'm not young, and there's definitely an element of a generation gap here. I'd say more about it, but I think the following diatribe has it covered (some of you may need a "safe space" after you read this...apologies):

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OK, I'm too out of touch with modern metal to know Djent firsthand, but that was a hilarious article, even though I will easily admit that I like both Dubstep and what little A7X I've heard (not that those are djent, but referenced in the article as bad). I didn't think Animals As Leaders was Djent but I've only heard a few of their tunes and I thought it was just really complex modern prog.

Meshuggah? Pass.

But, back to the OP's point, I think your bass tone would be both appropriate AND "different" in a good way if you were to eschew the apparent djenty norms and go more in the direction of Rex Brown circa Vulgar Display. His tone complemented Dime's super-sizzling distortion really well, and some of those Pantera riffs kind of have a little of that feel that djent is apparently going for, where you can hear the sag of the heavily-struck palm-muted strings and such.
 
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ERicks said:
Man I love Carcass but it's disingenuous to hear a band like Animals As Leaders and claim they're only using the bottom end of their instruments. Tosin is truly playing some next level stuff. The groundwork for the djent thing was for sure laid by the melodic and tech death bands of the late 80s/early 90s but they're pushing it forward in new interesting ways. What's nice too is that a lot of those older bands are still making exciting, relevant music too-Gorguts spring to mind as an example.

OP I forgot to ask, are you primarily playing with a pick or your fingers, and what kind of strings are you running? Sorry if this has been covered, I've been poking in and out of this thread at different times.
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Normally play pick and my current string gauges are 75-175
 
#96
A good compressor into a distortion with a blend to help retain the low end +1 on the B7K and POD X3. The dual tone on the POD is great for that. EQ the amp to give you some high mid/treble emphasis to bring out some sharpness in the distortion, not too much though as it will sound thin in the mix. Oh and if your strings are old and dull sounding, none of these matter as you'll never get that chime needed going into the distortion
 
#98
What SerratedBass said about old and dull strings is important. Slapping on some fresh steels will make any given tone closer to one suitable for djentiness. I'm really digging D'Addario Flex Steels at the moment. This video was made with a fresh set of them, and it gives a decent example of the B3K in a djenty mix.



Forgive me for my bad sense of humor and overall lack of experience making gear demos haha
 
#99
I would stack a heavily compressed clean tone with a crunchy almost guitar-like distorted tone and start from there. iirc, nolly's base bass tone is an svt stacked with a 5150 on an axe-fx, so maybe stacking a vt bass and a rat, or if you have the cash, splurge on a b7k or an ultra, then stack a crunchy distortion for brutality's sake as well.

don't forget compression on the clean side that gives the entire tone its punch, so maybe a somewhat clean comp that can squish like an aguilar tlc or mxr bass comp. likewise, if you can splurge, its the origin effect cali-76 all the way.
 

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