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#21
iPhone app and good eq should get you there. No need to spend money on fancy stuff. You already have a good mixer with plenty fancy stuff in there.

You would be surprised how frequencies overlaps create mud which causes bass to « disappear ».
 
#23
dbase said:
They have me turn on my active bass circuit and crank it till it distorts and then they turn it down till it doesn't clip. But, I want to hear myself above the mix.
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Well, on every sound board I've ever touched, there's seperate gain staging options for each input. You set your gain at 0 (green lights/no distortion) then you match your level to the drums. Separate controls. Now, with everything turned up, the master might peak, but that's not any single person, its a group effort. Your channel will be clean, and as strong as everything else. But, if you want to hear yourself better (clearer), turn your bass knob down, and/or, up yourself in the monitor mix.

With proper gain staging, you'll never clip...ever. you can crank your volume slider on full, and all that would happen is you blow a couple speakers, or a whole channel. Hahahaha. But, you won't clip.
 
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My 4 piece band used to use a Behringer HA4700 4 channel headphone amp. Everybody could set the levels for their own mix and turn their individual instruments up or down in volume compared to the main mix. You want "more me" in your headphones? Suit yourself. And it doesn't affect the mixer board or PA. They're discontinued, but you could probably pick up a used one for $50.

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer/POWERPLAY-PRO-XL-HA4700-HEADPHONE-AMP.gc
 
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dbase said:
we all plug into our own headphone amp channel. Tascam plugs into the board output and records the sessions, works great.
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I can think of two solutions:
1/ plug your Tascam to your headphone output and record from there. You might be able to have two outputs set the same, so use one for monitoring and other for recording. Or, the Tascam might be able to record, and at the same time to pass the recorded sound to your headphones (which would be plugged to Tascam).
2/ work with your guitar player on setting the output that goes to Tascam from the mix console. From what you write I guess that now it is plugged to master out - it records the same sound that would go to PA if you had one, but I understand you don't have any PA, so the big faders are not used at all. Your guitar player is right that the input gains should all be set to the reasonable top, but as a mix engineer, only then you would start the real work - use the faders to adjust the output sound. Try to set the faders. Or, since you can set every intrument's volume to everyone's headphones, you can almost surely do the same to Tascam, if you plugged the Tascam to the same output you use for headphones (likely AUX).
 
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hbarcat said:
My 4 piece band used to use a Behringer HA4700 4 channel headphone amp. Everybody could set the levels for their own mix and turn their individual instruments up or down in volume compared to the main mix. You want "more me" in your headphones? Suit yourself. And it doesn't affect the mixer board or PA. They're discontinued, but you could probably pick up a used one for $50.

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer/POWERPLAY-PRO-XL-HA4700-HEADPHONE-AMP.gc
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I think you got what I'm looking for. I want "more me" in my headphones but not in everyone else's headphones. How would that work?
 
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JRA said:
dbase , if i understand your equipment list = you already have enough gear to give you what you want --- someone needs to get a handle on the capabilities of your gear! good luck with that! :thumbsup:
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This X32 board is like flying the space shuttle... I never knew a simple mixing board could be so complicated. We know people that have them and they came over to help get it running but now we are on our own and I don't think the guitar play knows enough to dial me in, so I don't get much help from him. I figured I'd find my own solution and leave them out.
Hbarcat has it correct, I want more me in my headphone mix without adding more ME to the other players mix, If they want more me, that's on them. If it's one thing I hate it's not being in control of my volume. In this case I can control my volume from the headphone amp but I can't bring the volume up of ME.
 
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dbase said:
Hbarcat has it correct, I want more me in my headphone mix without adding more ME to the other players mix, If they want more me, that's on them.
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that's right --- and your mixer can do that! it may be a case of needing one more 'consultation' from someone who knows the X32 better than your guitar cat. it should be easy to accomplish what you want/need...there are 16 separate/individual mono mixes or 8 stereo mixes available on that piece!
 
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dbase said:
This X32 board is like flying the space shuttle... I never knew a simple mixing board could be so complicated. We know people that have them and they came over to help get it running but now we are on our own and I don't think the guitar play knows enough to dial me in, so I don't get much help from him. I figured I'd find my own solution and leave them out.
Hbarcat has it correct, I want more me in my headphone mix without adding more ME to the other players mix, If they want more me, that's on them. If it's one thing I hate it's not being in control of my volume. In this case I can control my volume from the headphone amp but I can't bring the volume up of ME.
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Your X32 will definitely do what you want but you're correct that you need to put in some time and effort learning how to "program" the unit. Lots of people are raving about these digital mixers because of how much they can do, but I'm an old geezer and still usually prefer simplicity when it will do the same job.

Qustion: How many individual mixes do you need, including vocals? The Behribger HA4700 I used was linirmted to 4. But if you have 2 guitars, 1 bass, 1 drums, and 1 or 2 vocals for example, then you'd need at least 5 or 6. Your X32 will do more than that but my old HA4700 won't allow more than 4.
 
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dbase said:
I think you got what I'm looking for. I want "more me" in my headphones but not in everyone else's headphones. How would that work?
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So the first thing is to see how many cables are running from the mixer to the headphone amp. If it's 1 (or2), that tells you that everyone is getting the same mix. Which is not what you want. Use the HA4700 shown below.
HA4700_P0184_Left_XL.png

On the front panel each channel has an (AUX IN) and (Phone Out) jack. And the back of the X32 has [OUT 1] through [OUT 16] on the left side.
X32_P0ASF_Rear_XL.png

So you'll connect [Out1] to (AUX IN) 1. NOTE: output is balanced, and input in unbalanced, so you'll need to use XLR to 1/4" mono to make this connection. This will be a mono mix. This will be the monitor mix for PERSON A. Repeat this connection for each person. Now each person has their own mix into the HA4700. Plug in your headphones to the (PHONE OUT). Now open your X32Q app on your iOS or Android device. Select your bus [Out 1], and now you can control your headphone mix volume on every individual channel.

If your headphone amp doesn't have separate inputs for each headphone output, you'll need a new headphone amp.
 
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JeezyMcNuggles said:
Well, on every sound board I've ever touched, there's seperate gain staging options for each input. You set your gain at 0 (green lights/no distortion) then you match your level to the drums. Separate controls. Now, with everything turned up, the master might peak, but that's not any single person, its a group effort. Your channel will be clean, and as strong as everything else. But, if you want to hear yourself better (clearer), turn your bass knob down, and/or, up yourself in the monitor mix.

With proper gain staging, you'll never clip...ever. you can crank your volume slider on full, and all that would happen is you blow a couple speakers, or a whole channel. Hahahaha. But, you won't clip.
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Those were my thoughts but I figured someone else was going to say it. Redlining is almost always a problem at the gain stage when someone's signal is too hot for the way it's set there. Pull that back and you should find a lot more headroom. It's really doubtful you need to buy more equipment to fix this problem.
 
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#35
seamonkey said:
Behringer P16: Setup | Sweetwater

Come on, just get one. ;)

Search youtube for setting up a personal monitor mix on x32
There are many videos
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There's even an app for PC that makes routing to the P-16M pretty easy, like a row/column diagram.. you can pretty much assign any of up to 16 channels to the personal mixer and any member using a P-16M has control over their own personal mix without having to get up and walk to the board. Or the P-16m can be routed from the board itself with a bit more effort.

I just spotted one used on Reverb for $230.

Still, even without it, the x32 is capable of sending individual monitor mixes provided your headphone amp has enough inputs, it might just take some research to set that up, and unless the bands volume levels to the board stay the same every rehearsal/gig you'll probably have to run a soundcheck at the start of every session.

But each member that uses a P-16M is time saved imo. I have control over all 16 channels.. and it only effects what I hear. Vocal mics too quiet or loud? I can fix that. Not enough bass in my headphones? I can fix that. I even have control over individual pieces of my drummer's kit, without moving from my spot in the jam space or interrupting a jam to say "I can't hear *insert instrument here*." or "*Instrument* is too loud". I even have a channel assigned to playback from the owner's PC/Daw, so i can hear our recording playback through my cans vs the studio monitors.

I mean.. the x32 is a hell of a piece of gear.. worth the owner putting the time in to learn how to make it work best for all of you, and it makes life even easier if everybody has an idea how to get up and adjust volumes on their personal mix.
 
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dbase said:
We are all using headphones. guitars, bass and drums(electronic) go into the board, singers use mikes. then we all plug into our own headphone amp channel. Tascam plugs into the board output and records the sessions, works great. (short story here) me and two guitar players chipped in to buy a complete (old iron) JBL pa system, Berhinger x32 board, 4 QSC RMX 2450 power amps, two subs(4x18's), 2 towers (2x15's+horn), and 4 stage monitors (1x15+horn), 2 light towers with 8 Slimpar 56 lights and DMX controller and also an enclosed trailer to tow it to gigs. We use just the board at our practice site. Now since the board is at the guitars players house where we practice, he has had people over showing him how to work the board, it's complicated. I haven't had a chance to play with it and have no idea how to work it so I rely on him. I want my channel on the board to give me everyone including me but I want only me to be a little louder so I can hear myself above the others.
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What are you using for a headphone amp? Single channel or multiple channel?

With the number of AUX outs on your X32, you should all be able to have a least your own mono AUX mix sent to the headphone amp. Your lead vocalist might even be able to have a stereo mix. That's assuming you have a multichannel headphone amp like this:

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If you're all monitoring the same single AUX mix coming out of your X32, you're not getting the most out of your setup. Given the symptoms you describe, I think this is what's happening. If you had your own AUX mix, you could have your bass at 100% and everything else lower or completely off - without affecting what others are hearing, what's being routed to main outputs or how your channel fader is set.

I'm guessing your guitar player/mixerman doesn't have the knowledge of the equipment to give you all what you need.
 
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OK, I'm back... after talking to the lead guitar player/sound guy at practice about me not being able to hear myself on bass, he made the standard adjustments he normally does b4 each practice and it seemed OK until we all played. I got lost in the mix. I don't full realize this until I get home and listen to the playback I recorded with my Tascam DR44wl. The bass has no presence. (I attached a sample.) I read up more on the Behringer P16 and am considering giving it a shot at $295 if the wife approves. I still believe the X32 board is capable of giving me what I want without having to spend more money. Cant wait till we eventually get to play a gig where I can use my bass amp. This studio gigging is frustrating.
 

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