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To anyone following this thread, I spent an hour B4 practice with my guitar player trying to dial me in and it got to the point where I was satisfied. Somehow during practice my volume and tone left the mix and he had to do some more adjusting. This goes on all the time during he entire practice session. I said "What did you do? it was fine a minute ago" He made some more adjustments but I was not satisfied, plus other players have dropped out volume wise. Meanwhile, Sweetwater calls and says the Beheringer P16 I ordered is on back order at the factory because of Covid19. I might ship in October.
 
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dbase said:
To anyone following this thread, I spent an hour B4 practice with my guitar player trying to dial me in and it got to the point where I was satisfied. Somehow during practice my volume and tone left the mix and he had to do some more adjusting. This goes on all the time during he entire practice session. I said "What did you do? it was fine a minute ago" He made some more adjustments but I was not satisfied, plus other players have dropped out volume wise. Meanwhile, Sweetwater calls and says the Beheringer P16 I ordered is on back order at the factory because of Covid19. I might ship in October.
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Guitar Center's website says they have them in stock. I'd put the order in and cancel the sweetwater order once it ships.

As far as the mix dropping in/out.. in this kind of setup it can be tricky, as any EQ or volume adjustment on your instruments/amps/pedals can make a pretty huge difference in the monitors and recordings. Kind of have to be on point on making sure all pedals are set to be equal in volume with clean signals. even just 2-3 dB difference can have a huge impact and it gets even trickier if volume/eq levels aren't the same every single time you guys sit down to play. This is the reason people hire audio engineers for live performances using FoH systems and for having them in the studio. While that can all mostly be ironed out in any recordings, for live monitoring this is where your p-16 is going to save you a lot of time and effort.
 
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Matty Koff said:
Guitar Center's website says they have them in stock. I'd put the order in and cancel the sweetwater order once it ships.

As far as the mix dropping in/out.. in this kind of setup it can be tricky, as any EQ or volume adjustment on your instruments/amps/pedals can make a pretty huge difference in the monitors and recordings. Kind of have to be on point on making sure all pedals are set to be equal in volume with clean signals. even just 2-3 dB difference can have a huge impact and it gets even trickier if volume/eq levels aren't the same every single time you guys sit down to play. This is the reason people hire audio engineers for live performances using FoH systems and for having them in the studio. While that can all mostly be ironed out in any recordings, for live monitoring this is where your p-16 is going to save you a lot of time and effort.
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Our next gig is outside and we have the top rated sound guy in South Jersey running sound for us. What a pleasure having him run around making sure everything is up to snuff and not one of the band members. I'm not so worried in the studio but I at least want to hear myself and everyone else properly in the mix. That's not too much to ask when you have a $2500 digital board. I canceled the sale at Sweetwater and bought one at Guitar Center.. they have them in stock... I had one question for them that they couldn't answer, and that is do I get the full board mix out of the stereo line out on the P16, or is just my mix. I ask that because I would have my Tascam closer to me to control if I could plug it into the P16 and not on the X32 board on the other side of the studio.
 
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Just came today, problem solved
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dbase said:
Returning the P16 to Guitar Center ... wasn't needed... engineer said that the X32 can do what I need without getting a P16. He will fix the settings at next practice.
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The x32 can do individual mixes. The p-16 just lets you adjust your own mix without stopping everything and asking your guitarist to adjust your levels throughout your entire rehearsal like you've been complaining about. I personally could never go back to dealing with that after being used to having my own mixer. Much less the times the owner of our setup got mixed up with whose monitor mix he was adjusting. But to each their own and good luck.

Thing has saved my band hours in juggling volume levels in our headphones.
 
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Matty Koff said:
The x32 can do individual mixes. The p-16 just lets you adjust your own mix without stopping everything and asking your guitarist to adjust your levels throughout your entire rehearsal like you've been complaining about. I personally could never go back to dealing with that after being used to having my own mixer. Much less the times the owner of our setup got mixed up with whose monitor mix he was adjusting. But to each their own and good luck.

Thing has saved my band hours in juggling volume levels in our headphones.
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That's my exact problem Matty... We must spend 30 mins each practice trying to make everybody happy. We had a recording engineer on the phone who uses the x32 and he set it up initially and will come to one of our practice sessions for a re-do. I don't know squat about the x32, I only own 1/3 of it. but he said it has whats called a P16 in it internally and they are using that portion for a stereo mix, whatever the hell that means, and cant do an external P16 setup without changing everything he did initially. I don't know if I'm explaining it correctly, I'm just the bass player. but he said he can get me what I want when he comes over. I was pretty excited I was going to get what I wanted when I bought the P16, soounded like plug and play until I watched the YouTube video of how to set it up and I started looking for a simple 8 channel mixer board without all the bells and whistles... I'm an old man, I don't need too much excitement or I'l have a heart attack. ;) He'll be over next Monday... film at 11. Stay tuned to this station.
 
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dbase said:
That's my exact problem Matty... We must spend 30 mins each practice trying to make everybody happy. We had a recording engineer on the phone who uses the x32 and he set it up initially and will come to one of our practice sessions for a re-do. I don't know squat about the x32, I only own 1/3 of it. but he said it has whats called a P16 in it internally and they are using that portion for a stereo mix, whatever the hell that means, and cant do an external P16 setup without changing everything he did initially. I don't know if I'm explaining it correctly, I'm just the bass player. but he said he can get me what I want when he comes over. I was pretty excited I was going to get what I wanted when I bought the P16, soounded like plug and play until I watched the YouTube video of how to set it up and I started looking for a simple 8 channel mixer board without all the bells and whistles... I'm an old man, I don't need too much excitement or I'l have a heart attack. ;) He'll be over next Monday... film at 11. Stay tuned to this station.
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There's a windows based and i'd imagine a mac based app that makes routing pretty simple via a row and column diagram, you pick a channel, move the dot to where you want to assign it on the p-16. You can route up to 16 of any of the 32 inputs to it.. in the board menus you route the thing via the "ultranet" menu.. but the pc app is easier to use and navigate. The ultranet settings should only affect the ultranet port, which is what the p-16 plugs in to and has no effect on the rest of the setup.

You can even group inputs (like drum mics) and assign them to a single channel of the p-16. Sounds to me like you're not the only one confused. Not intended as an insult, but what the engineer is saying doesn't make sense to me.
 
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Matty Koff said:
There's a windows based and i'd imagine a mac based app that makes routing pretty simple via a row and column diagram, you pick a channel, move the dot to where you want to assign it on the p-16. You can route up to 16 of any of the 32 inputs to it.. in the board menus you route the thing via the "ultranet" menu.. but the pc app is easier to use and navigate. The ultranet settings should only affect the ultranet port, which is what the p-16 plugs in to and has no effect on the rest of the setup.

You can even group inputs (like drum mics) and assign them to a single channel of the p-16. Sounds to me like you're not the only one confused. Not intended as an insult, but what the engineer is saying doesn't make sense to me.
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That makes two of us ;)
 
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With the x32 plugged into a windows, mac, or linux based pc, there's a program called "X32 Edit" you can download from behringer's website, that allows for control over the x32 via a personal computer. There are likely x32 drivers required as well. If anybody owns a Raspberry Pi 3 there's an app for it as well.

when you run it, you get this
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You click "Routing" and this window pops up, and you click "ultranet" and this is where you configure the p-16, which again, is the only reason the x32 has a cat5e port labeled "Ultranet" on the back of it.

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This effects NOTHING else in the setup, and allows anybody who plugs a p-16M into the ultranet port or into the ultranet out from your p-16m control over what they hear in their own headphone mix. The channel assignments will be the same, but each p-16 has it's own volume settings per channel.

Hold off on returning it imo.. I'd show your engineer this post and tell him to make it work. Trust me, you'll enjoy the benefits. He seems to be misinformed.

The alternative is to set it up within the menus of the x32 itself, which still does the same thing, it's just not as easy to configure.

The only way what he's saying makes any sense is if he's already using the ultranet port, which makes no sense to me as why anybody would do so other than to add personal monitor mixers designed for the x32 system.

I never have to even leave my spot in the jamspace to adjust any given aspect of my monitor mix, much less ask anybody else to. My P-16's sitting right on my mic stand. Used a piece of tape plus a pen to label the channels.

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dbase said:
My band is practicing in our studio without amps.. we use a Berhinger X32 console and a headphone amp so everyone has their own channel with volume controls.. Drums are electronic and go into the board also. I record the sessions with a Tascam Dr-44WL. My problem is that I cant hear myself in the mix. I'm tired of constantly asking the guitar player to give me more gain (he runs the board from the other side of the room). Sometimes I turn on my bass pre-amp for more boost, but he compensates saying I'm red lining the board. I want to be able to control my volume on my own and also hear the mix without interfering with the signal going to the board. What do I buy? ;)
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Dbase, hope all is well with you. Okay I have had this situation going ampless live I had to solution one is a normal fix being this
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The second one which worked great believe it or not and was a quick solution to the problem pm me and I will share my "it's crazy enough that this may just work" ha ha ha
 
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