Need it louder. Guitar players super loud.

[rtav]

 

[dbase]

This will tame a loud lead guitar player

 

[MarshallAC50Stack]

First of all, it sounds like a cool band so make it work. Rock isn’t supposed to be a meditative ambience that we enjoy privately. If it’s too loud…

Anyhow, there are a number of very low weight 2X12 options that you could “one arm” such as GR. I often use a BBC 212 that’s under 38# and it rolls with 1 hand. I have a couple single Mesa cabs also that I consider quite light weight but maybe look at their 212.

Congrats on connecting with people who rock and good luck. Leave the “talk over” volume to the folk acts.

Maybe they don’t “rock.”

 

[MarshallAC50Stack]

Or, maybe they do. Regardless- plug your lugs. The way I deal with tinnitus is by making that constant squealing my friend and forgiving myself for being young and ignorant.

 

[Drredplate]

I run an Aguilar tone hammer 700 and a single 112 Aguilar 8ohm cab.
This band that I just joined practices at such a high volume but I can't hear the detail in my playing that I would prefer.
The Aguilar cab is rear ported.
I'm considering a new 4ohm cab so that I can get the full 700 Watts out of the amp.
I do own a second 112 8ohm cab but I hate to have to schlep two cabs and an amp to every rehearsal.
Will a single 4 ohm cab make a big difference? Would a front port vs rear Port make a big difference.
Suggestions welcome.

To be loud you need speakers not watts. You are probably limited by how much air your current cab can move.

 

[paskisti]

If single 12" cabinet is not enough I would not blame first the band being too loud. 2 high gain guitars and heavy handed drummer playing metal is just loud in most cases. If we followed advises here to get rid of that kind of bands it would basically stop metal/rock bands playing with bassists. Do we really want that?

My absolute minimum would be 410 or 215 for rock and metal anyway, and reducing volume control helps when lower spl is needed.

 

[MarshallAC50Stack]

If single 12" cabinet is not enough I would not blame first the band being too loud. 2 high gain guitars and heavy handed drummer playing metal is just loud in most cases. If we followed advises here to get rid of that kind of bands it would basically stop metal/rock bands playing with bassists. Do we really want that?

My absolute minimum would be 410 or 215 for rock and metal anyway, and reducing volume control helps when lower spl is needed.

It’s true that hard rock and metal are going to be loud. There are better options than a single 12. But it seems as though the concept of balance and musicality aren’t a priority in this situation.

I played with a guy who insisted that his amp needed to be cranked before it sounded good, well, okay then, get a smaller amp and crank it, at least for rehearsing.

Using ear plugs is frustrating at first. One way to adjust to ear plugs is by wearing them all the time for a while, not just when playing music.

It would have been great to have figured that out sooner!

 

[Doug Bright]

OP here.
Last rehearsal is better. Decided to wear my in-ear molds as ear plugs and it was perfect. Could hear myself better and the overall volume was drastically lower for me.
Thanks for all the good suggestions. Thinking about a 410 cab to keep it a rehearsal space.

 

[paskisti]

It’s true that hard rock and metal are going to be loud. There are better options than a single 12. But it seems as though the concept of balance and musicality aren’t a priority in this situation.

I played with a guy who insisted that his amp needed to be cranked before it sounded good, well, okay then, get a smaller amp and crank it, at least for rehearsing.

Using ear plugs is frustrating at first. One way to adjust to ear plugs is by wearing them all the time for a while, not just when playing music.

It would have been great to have figured that out sooner!

Guitarist with 100w all valve/tube amp trying to get power tube saturation is fustrating for rest of the band but luckily I never played with such players. Then definitely 25w amp helps bringing down the SPL and on the other hand preamp sounds are so good these days that it is not needed or even wanted by most IME.

I have used ear plugs practically always in my playing career and could not imagine to be anywhere near acoustic drums without them. You are right it takes some time to get used to them but is worth of trying because symbals will do some damage to hearing treacherously even drummer not playing very loud.

 

[MarshallAC50Stack]

Guitarist with 100w all valve/tube amp trying to get power tube saturation is fustrating for rest of the band but luckily I never played with such players. Then definitely 25w amp helps bringing down the SPL and on the other hand preamp sounds are so good these days that it is not needed or even wanted by most IME.

I have used ear plugs practically always in my playing career and could not imagine to be anywhere near acoustic drums without them. You are right it takes some time to get used to them but is worth of trying because symbals will do some damage to hearing treacherously even drummer not playing very loud.

I’m glad you’ve been on top of it! That said, I don’t put the blame on anyone else. I tried plugs a few times back in the day, but couldn’t get around the difference in timbre. Should have kept at it.
I think there is a greater awareness regarding our hearing these days.

 

[gbass312]

I was also use an Aguilar TH700 and pair it with 2 Genzler Magellan 1x12’s. Significantly more ‘air’ movement than 1 .
Bring just one to practice, two for gigs.

Just using the other cab should be enough. I too hate doing the two rig thing. But, you already have it.

A single 212 cab would do you good too. I'm pretty sure Aguilar makes a 212 version.

Or, an svt-212av. It's a 4ohm cab, and a great cabinet.