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Never Pay Retail?

Buying used is the clear way to buy for me. I mean, why go to guitar center to buy a 1000 dollar bass when you can get it in mint condition, no mods, etc for 500 on TB? Example: my new vette' 4 costs 1200 new. Now that's the actual retail price, not the MSRP. I went to GC, tryed it out, then went to TB and got it in mint for 550. It arrived a few weeks ago, and it plays, sounds and looks like the new one at GC. Point in case, used gear in, even in mint condition, can go for as little as half the GC price.
 
I have purchased new from GC, and new from Rondo...both got good deals. I have also purchased used from GC where I got it for less than was being asked. I have purchased used off of TB and also made several trades with fellow TB'ers...all of which I would do again. I have had no issues with any TB'ers...and will only be looking for used on here in the future...unless there was something VERY specific that I wanted or if I wanted to be the first and only owner (not like that is going to happen)...
 
I've only bought used once in the last 10 yrs. During that time I've purchased 7 basses. I prefer new and I pay accordingly because of it. I don't mind, I get what I want that way.:smug:

That doesn't mean I pay list price by any means.
you should be able to get 10% off just about anything just for walking in the door,and tickling the guys nose with cash can get you more usually.....some things are worth buying new,and used is not always a bargain......but long term i've done way better used
 
Buying from places like Guitar Center and musiciansfriend is pretty much buying used equipment anyways. That's why they can be that cheap - because they sell overstocks, blems, and used.

I'll be the first one to call Musician's Friend out on screw-ups (for example, they messed up a Custom Order of mine majorly when they were moving locations in the Summer of '07, causing a doubling in the promised Delivery Time... but also to their credit gave me a *significant* discount for the trouble) but to say "they sell overstocks, blems and used" gear without any type of explanation is just a false statement, pure and simple. Any Overstocked or Clearanced gear is *clearly* stated... and the vast majority of the time, a fantastic deal as well: I purchased 2 midrange Yamahas at about 70% off each (bought the first one & loved it so much within a week I got the second to defret and have as a "sister" fretless, which were my "main players" for 4+ years) and an Ibanez "Prestige"-level bass that was absolutely *tricked out* (Duncan Bassline SPB-3/SJB-3b "Quarter Pounder" passive P/J setup, BAII and Hipshot Ultralite tuners, 2-piece Alder body, Birdseye Maple-on-Maple neck, back-of-the-neck finish to die for, etc...) that would rival an production MIA Fender Precision for less than 1/3rd of it's original price... and is the one bass that I've sold out of many that I wish I could have back (it's clear in retrospect all I needed was a pickup change and I would still had a discounted piece of Fried Gold in my collection) They've also recently instituted a "Returned/Blem" System where you can purchase products either returned within their 45-day period or Blemished from the manufacturer, rated on a scale of 1 (very minimal play wear) to 5 (major damage/"parts only"). Granted, it's not the perfect system - IMO they don't discount enough for their "used" gear, but it's a start. I've purchased a large amount of gear from MF.com, and the vast majority have run smoothly with no issues from ordering to delivery (and "returning" the odd time that I've done so - no issues in that area as well).

I really think you're unfairly lumping in MF.com with Guitar Center, which doesn't take off for player-dinged merch unless you introduce that fact into the Haggling Process, which can and does overcharge and price the same bass higher in different stores, that has horrid setups and non-functioning instruments on their showroom floor (the vast majority you can't blame Musician's Friend for their setups, as they're sealed & double-boxed straight from the manufacture), and the vast majority of salepeople that quite simply don't know how to sell! (whether it be "hovering" or the opposite of not checking-up on you, not knowing nearly enough about what they're selling, clearing denying/downplaying in-store playing dings and marks, and downright lying but not well enough and getting caught in the process.) They may be owned by the same company, but they're two distinct stores.

If you're gonna buy from those places just buy used from someone else (omitting pawn shops: since you don't know where they came from and how they've been treated). I'd say, if you could, to always try to check the local music stores first. Support your local entity before you go wiring money to some gnomes out halfway across the country selling "new" goods.

Pawn Shops are dead in terms of purchasing a decent instrument - the vast majority of people that would have sold to them back in the day now use Ebay, Craigslist, etc... and most, if not all shops use the Internets to research what they have on their hands and what it can be sold for. The days of finding a Sadowsky for $200 because some guy thought it was a no-name Asian Fender rip-off are gone, and anyone that *can* find something more than "decent" is the exception that proves the rule IMO. As for local stores, I've found in my 20 years of playing a marked decline in the quality and amount of gear they stock as well as the fabled "Local Store Customer Service". There have been *many* threads about this here, but I've been in numerous (not just one or two outliers but a good sampling) stores that wouldn't let me PLAY a bass unless they "had cash in hand". Other examples include having salespeople quite literally stand "over" me while I play (and I'm not talking Fender Custom Shop, I'm talking MIA and even MIM basses), rufusing to order a piece of gear "because ordering from the company's too hard", and generally having limited selections of low-end gear without even one or two pieces of higher-end basses for customers that might want that.

If you have better local/smaller shops by you, you have my sincere congratulations. As for me, I haven't come across a decent local store in at least 6 years off the top of my head. If that's the service I'm going to get I'd much rather send my money to "the gnomes", purchase through one of the great "bass only"/high-end stores with a good Internet presence and reputation, or better yet purchase used from fellow players here on TB - some of the best basses I've owned, and 2 of my 5 "Dream Basses" were purchased here along with countless pedals, parts and other items.
 
In general, negotiate/haggle. Having cash to wave under their nose definitely helps - there's some psychological vibe about actual folding bills that tends to work magic. Know what the item you're looking at is going for at other stores - jump on the 'net and find out the street price. Be prepared to walk away (politely! - NOT yelling insults and abuse as you leave!).

Most of the guys I know that regularly get the stupid cheap deals have patience and are prepared to wait for their gear. They're like me and have a mental shopping list of stuff they'll pounce on when it comes up at the right price.

And build up a relationship with one of your local stores - is they know you're buying all your strings, picks, whatever from them I'd be very surprised if you didn't eventually get regular discounts without even asking.
 
Besides the obvious discount an endorsee gets, I usually get a discount from list just by walking in a local store. Everyone knows me & they know I will spend good money when I need something. They also know the guy down the street will give me a good price because he knows me too. The main thing is they know I'm not in there spending Daddy's Money. I'm a pro who's been around a long time & somebody is gonna get my business. It may as well be them.
 
Music stores aren't charities. I don't own one or work for one, but they do deserve to make SOME $$$ on what they sell.

Personally, I generally buy used. If I buy new, I tend to look at GC, Musiciansfriend to get a good "street price" baseline and then try to save a few $$$ on that.
 
I always buy used. I have basses and a rig that would cost well over $5000 new, all for less than $1100. It is the way that I roll and I don't mind taking a gamble on something used, I have always gotten my money back.

lowsound



Exactly - also, when it comes to instruments, I prefer to buy one that's atleast 1 year old - it's not uncommon for new necks to change slightly during their 1st year or two...



- georgestrings
 
by all means,a used bass sounds great!it´s been played in and the wood has matured.
a used amp.....meh!you´re better off buying a new one,especially if you play loud.Look I loved my Nemesis when I bought it used,however it´s had to be repaired and is nowhere near as loud.Now I have to nurse it until the money from the tours come in so i can upgrade.
hope that helps

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My local stores are terrible for haggling. These guys must not make many sales. I've been able to fight down maybe $50-100 at the most. They are willing to let me walk. Buying used it good. As long as you get something you're happy with the money is well spent. If I look online now there's isn't much difference in price between new/used, maybe a few hundred. Probably should be more, but it's not like buying a car.
 
Regarding buying on TB. I prefer being able to play before buying. Feel and sound are tantamount and can't be conveyed in a photo, so I usually buy Craigslist.

I have owned over 25 basses in the last 3 years and I would be out thousands of dollars if I had bought new.

The great thing about buying on TB classifieds is that people are by and large very fair. Still I like what I like and still prefer playing what I buy.
 
Regarding buying on TB. I prefer being able to play before buying. Feel and sound are tantamount and can't be conveyed in a photo, so I usually buy Craigslist.

I have owned over 25 basses in the last 3 years and I would be out thousands of dollars if I had bought new.

The great thing about buying on TB classifieds is that people are by and large very fair. Still I like what I like and still prefer playing what I buy.

Agreed. . about play before buying (if you can). My favorite bass is one I bought new. It was all about the feel and I had to have it. Damn Gas!! :D

Unfortunately for me Craigslist is nothing but junk. I'm better off with my new Squier.
 
The alternative is to simply ask for better pricing.

It the retailer/sales person knows. A) you will be purchasing a piece of gear. B) You will take your buisiness elsewhere if you don't get better than "retail" or "street" pricing...C) You do buisness with the seller fairly regularly D) You don't come off as a a Jerk to the saleperson.........you'll most likely be able to get "better than some guy off the street" pricing.

Simple as that.

C and D are probably the easiest and best way to get "better" pricing.
 
This is the "In" you have. Most people don't buy new instruments or amplifiers or anything with any frequency. You buy one and you use it and its supposed to work.

I don't buy big ticket stuff all that regularly, but between my guitar player, and myself, we do occationaly buy bigger ticket stuff, as well as smaller stuff, like cables , picks, strings, recording gear, mic's etc. etc. Stuff that anyone that plays in a working band is going to need as well. People get to know who you are. Kind of like "Frequent Flyer" Miles with airlines. This isn't limited to one or two stores either. There are a good number of music stores within a 1/2 hour drive of here. I"ve done business with them all at one point or another over the lenght of time I've been playing.







Besides the obvious discount an endorsee gets, I usually get a discount from list just by walking in a local store. Everyone knows me & they know I will spend good money when I need something. They also know the guy down the street will give me a good price because he knows me too. The main thing is they know I'm not in there spending Daddy's Money. I'm a pro who's been around a long time & somebody is gonna get my business. It may as well be them.

Exactly! I would even extend that out to online stuff, where people can get familiar with your buying record simply by checking in the computer.


I think a lot of it boils down to people just don't ask for better pricing.... and they won't walk out the door if they don't get it. If the salesman is hungry, 3/4 of a loaf of bread is better than no loaf at all.