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Double Bass New Acoustic Image 'DOUBLESHOT'
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That’s typically how you get the best signal-to-noise ratio.
Has anyone tried a pair of Doubleshots, powered by a single Clarus SL head? The head is rated down to 2ohm.
I have a fairly hard hitting drummer I need to keep up with. I am afraid a single Doubleshot wouldn't get it done for me.
I have a fairly hard hitting drummer I need to keep up with. I am afraid a single Doubleshot wouldn't get it done for me.
BrianRost, That's interesting since we both own/owned dual channel Walter Woods Ultras with independent Master Volume controls. Which do you prefer? Just curious.
I think someone has tried it, but I really don't now how you would set them to prevent phase cancellation unless you stacked them, which seems impractical.
I'm just not sure how much you'd gain from having a pair of them, but who knows. Just my take
It only matters to me when it comes to muting the DB while doubling. I can always just turn down the volume knob on a BG to mute the channel but my DB has no volume knob
I almost never double with my Coda, but when I do I put the DB into Ch2 and use the Ch2 button as a mute. With the WW I just turn the master off on the DB channel.
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See, it depends on a lot of factors. I mean, it IS a 2x10" speaker plus 5" mid-high driver, and that's a lot of speakers going at once. And it can handle 500+ watts. So you'd think it would be more than capable. The thing is, unlike other 2x10 cabs, though, it's not designed to be a "room shaker" so much as a "room filler." It's a very transparent sound, and designed to "throw" the sound in all directions, not in one focused direction like a typical cab. That tends to create a more realistic "acoustic image" of omnipresent sound for an acoustic instrument, and that's what the A.I. design spec has always been - not sheer volume.
It's meant to have a commanding voice - not a shouty one. Does that make sense?
That said, the speaker puts out WAY more sound at that size than it has any right to do, and a pair of them would be tiny yet quite formidable. I don't see any issues with phase cancellation; plenty of players use multiple cabinets by other manufacturers, sometimes not stacked, and there isn't an issue. But whether it will be enough to keep up with a loud rock band will depend a lot on your tone, your needs, and your expectations.
Interesting question would be how to arrange two of the DoubleShots. Seems to me that one over the other would make the most sense.
While it could definitely work, my approach is “the right tool for the job” as Mark mentioned the Double Shot is designed to fill the room with sound. It
Would not be my choice for playing high volume gigs with a bass guitar. If you placed them in close proximity, side by side you could have two 10” drivers firing into each other. If you space them to far apart then you’ll get a delay between the two speakers. There are better configurations of course. Stacked seems optimal, but you’d need a platform to set one of the cabinets on. Just my take of course. I’m not saying it won’t work, of course it will, but I’d sure try it out first.
Would not be my choice for playing high volume gigs with a bass guitar. If you placed them in close proximity, side by side you could have two 10” drivers firing into each other. If you space them to far apart then you’ll get a delay between the two speakers. There are better configurations of course. Stacked seems optimal, but you’d need a platform to set one of the cabinets on. Just my take of course. I’m not saying it won’t work, of course it will, but I’d sure try it out first.
While it could definitely work, my approach is “the right tool for the job” as Mark mentioned the Double Shot is designed to fill the room with sound. It
Would not be my choice for playing high volume gigs with a bass guitar. If you placed them in close proximity, side by side you could have two 10” drivers firing into each other. If you space them to far apart then you’ll get a delay between the two speakers. There are better configurations of course. Stacked seems optimal, but you’d need a platform to set one of the cabinets on. Just my take of course. I’m not saying it won’t work, of course it will, but I’d sure try it out first.
It would be the smallest 4x10 configuration in town though…
I think stacking two Doubleshots would definitely be the way to arrange them. Couldn't you just place one under a chair and another on top? If one were doing this on a regular basis, then some kind of bracket/shelf would definitely be nice. Doesn't seem that hard to figure something out since you only need to support ~15lbs.
I think the downside is that you need a very high power, 2-ohm capable amp to drive them to their full potential, which would be +6db. With most of the AI heads out there, I think you'll get closer to only +3db (I believe most are rated at 600W or less). If I were to do this personally, I would consider using two ~500 or 600W head amps in a master/slave configuration.
I think the downside is that you need a very high power, 2-ohm capable amp to drive them to their full potential, which would be +6db. With most of the AI heads out there, I think you'll get closer to only +3db (I believe most are rated at 600W or less). If I were to do this personally, I would consider using two ~500 or 600W head amps in a master/slave configuration.
Personally I wouldn't buy two Doubleshots. A gig that is louder than one Doubleshot can serve is a gig where AI's vaunted acoustic fidelity is much less important and I can get cabinets that can go louder, for cheaper, and at a higher impedance. The 30lb may be harder to achieve, but it's not impossible. A single Barefaced Big Baby II would be an example of something that ticked many boxes.
you could put one in front of the other, both facing the same direction, so all speakers are pointing the same directions.
I would just use a more efficient conventional speaker cabinet rather than get a second DoubleShot. There are lots of lightweight options available.
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I have used doubleshot and upshot at the same time many times, never two double shots though. I haven’t had any noticeable issues with phasing or delay, the duo seems to work well together. Upshot a little closer to me for self monitoring and filling the upward space, double shot firing every which way. The convenience factor does go way down when your carrying two of these things around though.
I think that combining the Upshot with the Doubleshot makes perfect sense, because it’s a very flexible setup as the two cabinets fire in different directions.
I may be parading my ignorance here, but please indulge me with a question. Would it be possible to power a Doubleshot with a Phil Jones Bighead Pro HA-2? I’m sure the output would be less than stellar, being that it’s essentially a headphone amp. But the Bighead works fairly well with powered speakers, so I’m wondering if it’s at least a technical possibilty, even just to bleat out notes at modest volumes.
No, that's not gonna work. You might get some tiny sound out, but you'll probably have to put your ear all the way to the speaker to hear it.
