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New Ammo Bill

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#21
Wow, that's jacked up. I know a lot of old retired guys who shoot for their main hobby, they go through hundreds of rounds a week. My dad doesn't go through quite as much as the most committed among them, but he still shoots a lot. I have a feeling like this would really affect them negatively, in the same way that a lot of well-intentioned laws like this wind up hurting innocent people way more than criminals.

Edit: Didn't see the above. That's really good news, if it's true. Of course, it's only a matter of time before somebody tries it again, but still at least it's been defeated this time.
 
#22
These are the states said:
Arizona, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee and Washington
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I think a similar law was passed in CA, and will go into effect in one or two years.

Trevorus said:
I might have to invest in set of files...
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That would be difficult. The *proposed legislation would mandate laser engraving on the bottom of "1" and the inside of "2" IIRC.

Manufacturers would have to re-tool to make product for the few states silly enough to pass this bogus law that will not impact crime in a meaningful way. Between the license fee, the added tax, and extra manufacturing cost, I wouldn't be surprised if shooting sports enthusiasts will have to pay DOUBLE what they do now.

I'll guess many companies won't even bother to turn their facilities upside-down to comply with this BS. Bullets are made in one part of a factory, while casings are built in another. Each one will have a unique alpha-numeric symbol engraved on them that will have to be perfectly matched up in a third part of the building. It's a logistical nightmare. Leave it to jackass lawmakers not to bother to think about any of this.

And what are they going to do about the billions of rounds out there? Criminals won't get them? What about smuggled rounds from over the border? What about shotgun shells? Will every pellet have to be marked? Will the time-honored tradition of reloading really be a criminal act? What about guys that like to shoot muskets or other old technologies?

Silly politicians at it again.


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*There wasn't and there isn't one proposal.
 
#23
spencer said:
The 2008 Legislative session has begun, and the Ammunition
> Accountability Act is being introduced across the country . Below
> is a list of states where legislation has already been introduced:
> Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois,
> Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New
> York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and
> Washington .
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That's more states than i thought.

Kelly Lee said:
Guys, this is 2009 guys, that was all from 2008. All of these were defeated in every legislature around the country last year. None of them made it out of subcommittee in their respective states. Check with the NRA, JPFO, GOA, and your local groups to confirm.
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Last year was a POTUS election year. It's a whole new world now. I suspect three or four states will pass something like it.
 
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bassrique said:
Last year was a POTUS election year. It's a whole new world now. I suspect three or four states will pass something like it.
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I agree that people will keep introducing them but as long as they never make it out of committee I won't worry too much. The states to watch, as always, will be California, Illinois, and New York. These normally start in one of those three states.

BTW, I do my part for Arizona. Me and the wifey are both members of AZCDL. :cool:
 
#29
spencer said:
If you and me average americans understand this, why don't they? Maybe its not the criminals there afraid of.
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Gun control isn't about guns... it's about control. Take away the people's means to fight back, and the government can take away anything they want. Of course it's all for the country's "safety" and "security".

Hitler, Stalin, many other dictators implemented total gun control before they started the really nasty things.

I also think it's funny when people with political power say that they have no problem with "law abiding gun owners"... well, those of us who are law abiding can all become felons with the stroke of a pen....
 
#31
Kelly Lee said:
I agree that people will keep introducing them but as long as they never make it out of committee I won't worry too much. The states to watch, as always, will be California, Illinois, and New York. These normally start in one of those three states.

BTW, I do my part for Arizona. Me and the wifey are both members of AZCDL. :cool:
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I live in Illinois. Really got to keep an eye out here. The great state of Chicago will get you every time. Thank God this bill didn't make it. Doesn't California have that firing pin stamp thing? (As if that wasn't easy to defeat...)
 
#33
armywalaby said:
So, if it was ever passed, whats to stop me from driving across the state line to buy different ammunition?
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Because if you were a law abiding citizen, and didn't want to have the possibility of a felony conviction over your head, you wouldn't.

Of course, criminals don't follow the laws. They don't care that as repeat offenders, they can't legally own guns, they don't care that without a concealed carry permit they can't carry their illegally possessed guns. Oh yeah, and they don't care that armed robbery and murder are illegal either. :hmm:

EDIT: Nice signature, Trevorus. I hate this damn state.
 
#34
tplyons said:
Yes, this has it's pros and cons, pros that it will be more difficult for criminals to stockpile weapons and ammunition, and the con is that it will be more difficult for law abiding citizens to stock up on ammunition.

But I've always wondered how effective gun control is, being that there is no way to destroy existing current stockpiles (even though I wonder what the penalty is), but in my opinion and from what I've seen, it doesn't have much effect on the criminals, only the law abiding citizens whom we shouldn't be worrying about anyway.

There will always be a black market for this kind of stuff, since it's not an international standard, there will always be a way to get more ammo, legal or not.
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I know of at least a couple of factories near where I live where ammunition could be produced with no problems and also several factories with machine shops where quality firearms could be easily manufactured. It isn't really that diffucult to do. :hmm:
 
#35
Yeeehaaawwww for the Cornhusker State.

Kelly Lee said:
Guys, this is 2009 guys, that was all from 2008. All of these were defeated in every legislature around the country last year. None of them made it out of subcommittee in their respective states. Check with the NRA, JPFO, GOA, and your local groups to confirm.
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Yeah, it looks like a lot of the other potential legislation was abandoned. I know a lot of people want to call it paranoia, but the combination of semi-socialist policies, the possibility of government buying into private businesses, and very strict gun policies raised a lot of red flags. Fortunately, those in power came to their senses. I speculate that most realize that most gun companies rely on profits from the private sector as weapons for the military are typically purchased at the lowest bid. So, banning the sale of "battle field rifles" could put more people out of the job (probably not a great idea these days) and interfere with the military being able to keep their troops armed.
 
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Kelly Lee said:
Guys, this is 2009 guys, that was all from 2008. All of these were defeated in every legislature around the country last year. None of them made it out of subcommittee in their respective states. Check with the NRA, JPFO, GOA, and your local groups to confirm.
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Thanks! Yes, OLD NEWS. The gun industry and market is booming like never before. Also, NRA membership is up in record numbers. This years SHOT Show is promising to be the most attended in history. Without getting political, recent politics have given the industry a HUGE shot of adrenaline. :hyper: With all that's going on, I doubt you will seen any serious gun legislation passed in the next 4 - 8 years.
 
#39
Not old news...it's already back in committee in several of the states again. It won't happen in PA, we're actually pretty gun-friendly here...I can open carry without a permit and it's perfectly legal.

I shoot frangibles. Good luck reading any data off of that slug! Oh, and the compression and heat of the powder in the shell casing will melt the engraving off of a lead slug. Are they gonna microengrave every pellet in a shotgun shell?

And finally, do you suppose the criminal element will give a rat's patoot about the law, and actually USE marked ammo?

I didn't think so.

By the way, I carry an XD-45 compact with a guide-pin laser. I play in neighborhoods that your really don't wanna be at 3AM. A truckload of gear, and the bad guys KNOW that you just got paid in cash...
 
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