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Double Bass New amp...Phil Jones Bass Cub

#23
They put it on their website so anyone son inclined can check the specs.

It's called Bass CUB BG-100 and this leads you there.

However, I dare say, that seems more geared to bass guitar folks- I don't see much need for a practice amp in my life, and 100W/2x5'' (in other words, similar to briefcase, but with ports) might just not be enough for gigs, at least when there's a drummer around.

But hey, I don't know.

Best

Sidecar
 
#24
Not sure this would be geared toward BG folks as it has a mic input.

I have to say- I tried the Super flight Case out at home (not on a Gig). My thought/thinking was that I would use it as my primary, if not exclusive amp. I have to confess- I was a little disappointed in volume level/output for the cost.

Maybe it is me but in comparing it to an Eden AH 2x10 cabinet with an Eden 300 watt head that I used to have (for EB and occasional DB gig) - it was very disappointing.

That said- I do currently have a Rig for EB and or large venue DB gigs that I am happy with (Woods head and EA 1x10 & 2x8 cabs). This rig offers a lot of differnt configuration possibilities.

Lately however (and on the other end of the SPL spectrum), I have been entertaining the idea of getting a very small amp. My thinking is- there are gigs where the volume requirements fall somewhere between no amp and a small amp. The GK MB 150 that I have is fairly heavy and is way more than is needed in these situations.

I'm wondering if something like this new PJB would be the trick? It is a shame that there isn't a out for an extension cab on this. Other than that- I may have to check this out....especially given the XLR input.

I have have yet to go with a mic but was wondering if often, using a larger amp (when not sending mic to house PA) if a larger amp (and thereby louder playing situations) would really negate the reasons for using a mic- i.e. "my sound but louder."

Perhaps this amp might offer "my sound but loud enough" in playing situations where by the sound of the a bass (wood) would really be able to shine thru.

The size and portability can't be beat. My only other candidate thus far has been the GB 8.0 Shuttle.
 
#25
pmad_bass said:
Not sure this would be geared toward BG folks as it has a mic input.
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Oh, now you say it... Right, that mic input. I wish the flightcases had that...
pmad_bass said:
I have to say- I tried the Super flight Case out at home (not on a Gig). My thought/thinking was that I would use it as my primary, if not exclusive amp. I have to confess- I was a little disappointed in volume level/output for the cost.

Maybe it is me but in comparing it to an Eden AH 2x10 cabinet with an Eden 300 watt head that I used to have (for EB and occasional DB gig) - it was very disappointing.
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That's the first report I read about the Super Flightcase being not loud enough... (The little brother was often claimed as being a little weak on the headroom side) Volume, however, is one thing, sound the other. Does the Eden stuff really deliver for double-bass? Every time I tried it, I was horrified. Didn't work for me.
It depends very much on the pickup, the sound preference, and the bass, so mileage varies a geat deal, of course, but I'll definately try the Super Flight, and if I can get a hold of this baby here (the CUB) I'll check it out as well.

Best

Sidecar
 
#26
Re: The Eden- It was a heavy rig. I used it primarily for EB and occasionally for larger DB venues. Very heavy in the low end.

I was just using the Eden as a mental reference point when trying out the Super Flight case, since they were close in wattage.

One thing the Eden did well (especially for EB) was move air.I would say it was not an ideal DB amp/cab thou those that I gig'd with loved it as they could hear and feel me much more when compared to my other amp.

In looking at the design of the Flight case- I thought the same would be true but was sadly under whelmed.

I really liked the idea of the upward firing speakers as it can get hard to hear yourself once the volume wars begin. (Which leads to a good place to insert a joke: "Q: What do you throw a drowning Guitarist? A: His Amp!")

Another think that was limiting was the whole concept of being required to place the amp close to a wall in order to properly couple with floor/room.

My current interest is finding an amp that is small, very easy to carry and has a great sound. The 13 lbs and the carry case w/shoulder stray look inciting.
 
#27
pmad_bass said:
Lately however (and on the other end of the SPL spectrum), I have been entertaining the idea of getting a very small amp. My thinking is- there are gigs where the volume requirements fall somewhere between no amp and a small amp. The GK MB 150 that I have is fairly heavy and is way more than is needed in these situations.
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Consider a PJB Bass Buddy into your existing cab(s)? It can run 10 watts into 4 Ohms. I've used it with a Schroeder 12" cube for DB and it's a great little rig. I'd say about on par with my PJB Briefcase. At the very least it doubles the volume of the DB itself, and obviously can help to just project sound in a different direction if you like.

It may sound silly, the 10 watts, but for anyone not familiar with wattage math, it's logarithmic. 10 times the wattage is required for double the volume with all else equal. In other words a 100w amp would only sound twice as loud, so you can in fact get some decent volume out of a Bass Buddy if you have some cone area on the speaker side of the equation.

A Bass Buddy is much cheaper than a whole new combo, and it's a great practice amp and preamp too. Or maybe a Bass Buddy (or DB direct) into the new SWR Amplite and your existing cab(s)? It's 400w, sized only 1/2 a 1u rackspace. 4 lbs I believe.


EDIT : facts & math.
 
#30
The description on PJB's site (in conjunction with my previous experience) might be a little revealing:

"Sometimes all you need is an amp that can deliver true bass tones but without the hassle of getting out a big rig amplifier. The Bass Cub is 100 watts of pure tone in a “shoebox” size package and so light, it can be lifted even with a finger!"

It almost sounds like it isn't being marketed as a gigging amp. Nice and light though.
 
#31
I was just out at NAMM and was able to check out the new BG-800 Roadcase. It is probably louder than what most upright players would need, but the input section was very upright friendly. I am trying to find a better picture showing the top of the amp (we may have one from NAMM), but the prototype at least sounded really good.

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#32
tombowlus said:
I was just out at NAMM and was able to check out the new BG-800 Roadcase. It is probably louder than what most upright players would need, but the input section was very upright friendly. I am trying to find a better picture showing the top of the amp (we may have one from NAMM), but the prototype at least sounded really good.

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Nice Pic's
I asked PJB if they were going to build a Super Bass Cub. Phil's wife emailed me to say that they had considered the option but the Cub's amp section didn't fit into the Super Flightcase, volia we have the Road Case.
Maybe they will build a mini Road Case. One things for sure, the new stuff has a different porting system. That's the one thing that the Super Cub and Road Case have in common.
 
#35
Roger Davis said:
74 lbs..........................aaargh!
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Roger has my sentiments. I used to own a Kasino 200. It filled the back seat of my 64 Chevy Bel Air. I had to open the back door on the passenger side, push the amp into back seat and pull it through from the rear door on the drivers side. B-15's were nice two but they weighed 80 lbs.

I've noticed that the new PJB bass amps have their ports on the side, now I don't know how this new cabinet works, but the port configuration reminds me a VL 208 or VL 210. Is it possible that it has a wave guide inside the box.
 
#37
The Super Flightcase BG-300 is probably going to appeal to many more players, and weighs in at merely 33 lbs. From an upright perspective, I was most excited about the preamp on the Roadcase, which does include both 1/4" and XLR inputs, as well as a phase control. I wish I had a good photo of it. Maybe our photographer, Steve Burkhalter, was able to snap a shot.

This preamp in the BG-300 form factor might be a real winner for upright players.
 
#40
Chris Fitzgerald said:
I suspect you're right. Wondering aloud, in case you get a chance to talk to Phil: Would this preamp fit in the body of the Super Flightcase combo?
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My guess is that it could be done, but getting a new design fully certified to be sold in multiple continents can be expensive, so I don't know if there would be sufficient demand to offset the costs.
 

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