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Double Bass New Doubling Rig

Jazzdogg

Less barking, more wagging!
I'm a doubler who wants to jettison all of his bass gear except two lightweight cabs (and lightweight amplification) that can be mixed and matched to cover any gig I'm likely to play. As a point of reference with respect to sound, I've been very satisfied using a Wizzy12M and/or VL208 and iAmp800.

I play DB and fretless electric 5-string basses, and although DB tone is more important to me than electric, I still want my thick-yet-articulate sound on electric.

I have an 8-Ohm Arnopol Crazy8 (approx. 10 pounds) on the way, which I intend to use by itself for small DB gigs, and as a practice cab with electric bass. I'm trying to decide what the second cab (and amplification) will be:

1. Arnopol 17-pound composite 12" sub (bi-amped w/ Crazy8);
2. Arnopol 22-pound composite 15" sub (bi-amped w/ Crazy8);
3. Arnopol-built composite, full-range, Thunderchild 15 AF;
4. A fEarful sub;
5. Something else entirely. :hmm:

I want to be able to elevate/tilt the Crazy8 as a personal bass monitor while using the second cab to augment the volume and reinforce the low bass on medium to large gigs; because of disparities in sensitivity and power handling, I will need to control the volume of each cab separately. I can use a dual mono amp (like theCarvin BX1500), a separate bass head for each cab (e.g., EA Doubler pushing the Crazy8, and a GB Streamliner 900 [+EQ3B] holding down the low end), or a pre+power set-up.

I'm looking for an undistorted, articulate sound that fills the stage effortlessly without sounding too "loud," "clanky," or "boomy," and without overtaxing loudspeakers or amps, whether walking on DB, playing R&B on electric bass, or creating a full-bodied tone for Latin Jazz or Reggae.

I really like the idea of physically small, lightweight, components to match small cabs, which makes the Doubler and Streamliner [+EQ3B] enticing. The Carvin may not have enough power without bridging, and it's 19" wide. :atoz:

That said, ;) I've been very pleased with pre+power rigs I've owned in the past, and keep thinking of pairing my Yamaha PB1 or a Demeter HBP-1 with one of the new lightweight DSP power amps (e.g., Peavey IPR); despite their relative bulk, the pair wouldn't weigh much).

Oh, and I'd like to have the switch to compact, lightweight, gear completed before I'm 60! :hiding:

What say ye?
 
Mike is doing amazing work with composites...I've seen other, even lighter rigs, but frankly, Mikes nida-core builds are as light as I'd want to go. You'll still get a huge, solid sound and a cab that will last.

I've been doubling on a ShuttleMax 12.0 with an AudioKinesis TC115AF and it's not only the smallest, lightest rig I've used, it's also the best sounding for a totally smooth hifi sound. Mixing and matching different cabs can be a bit tricky. I haven't gigged a crazy8 or 88 but have heard nothing but raves about them. Looking forward to trying one soon. Have you considered having Mike build you a fEARful 12/6/1 and 12sub? Seems to me that would be a great, light weight solution to cover all your gigs. Just a thought. I'm sure Mike could help walk you thru the best solution for your needs, but you're certainly on the right track...greenboy and Duke are THE state of the art for doubling cabs these days, IMO :)
 
I have been doing some doubling gigs lately with a only my GK mb fusion and one neo 12 cab. I switch between channel 1 (upright) and 2 (electric). The sound enginer have two different lines on the mixing board and switch whenever i switch instruments. I was thinking of using two separate amps, but it works great. We use in ear monitoring anyway so the amp is there only for some extra vibrations on stage.
 
Check out the Baer ML112. A really great doubling cab. Its a 12/6 box that speaks quickly with oomph, at low volume. It's also about as loud as a small 12/6 box could ever get with pretty big lows for the electric bass. Very nice box.
 
By the way--my cabs aren't Nidacore---that was a bit of a fiasco for another builder. Mine are epoxy/fiberglass over a foam core. A proven technology for other more demanding applications like surf boards and sail boards.
The Thunderchilds are great upright cabs.

Just played through a stacked Crazy 8 with a Crazy 88 on top. 5 string electric. Stupid loud. Sounded really nice. I'll just leave it at that.
 
By the way--my cabs aren't Nidacore---that was a bit of a fiasco for another builder. Mine are epoxy/fiberglass over a foam core. A proven technology for other more demanding applications like surf boards and sail boards.
The Thunderchilds are great upright cabs.

Just played through a stacked Crazy 8 with a Crazy 88 on top. 5 string electric. Stupid loud. Sounded really nice. I'll just leave it at that.

Mike, Just in case you're concerned about violating TB rules governing commercial users, and because this is my thread: you are hereby invited to make any and all comments you deem necessary, helpful, instructive, informative, or just plain fun!
 
Mike is doing amazing work with composites...I've seen other, even lighter rigs, but frankly, Mikes nida-core builds are as light as I'd want to go. You'll still get a huge, solid sound and a cab that will last.

I've been doubling on a ShuttleMax 12.0 with an AudioKinesis TC115AF and it's not only the smallest, lightest rig I've used, it's also the best sounding for a totally smooth hifi sound. Mixing and matching different cabs can be a bit tricky. I haven't gigged a crazy8 or 88 but have heard nothing but raves about them. Looking forward to trying one soon. Have you considered having Mike build you a fEARful 12/6/1 and 12sub? Seems to me that would be a great, light weight solution to cover all your gigs. Just a thought. I'm sure Mike could help walk you thru the best solution for your needs, but you're certainly on the right track...greenboy and Duke are THE state of the art for doubling cabs these days, IMO :)

There are two things that eliminate the Shuttlemax 12.0 for me: it won't allow the user to control the output level separately for each amp, and it has a "crisp," baked-in, upper-mid presence peak that I wasn't able to dial out.
 
Jazzdogg said:
There are two things that eliminate the Shuttlemax 12.0 for me: it won't allow the user to control the output level separately for each amp, and it has a "crisp," baked-in, upper-mid presence peak that I wasn't able to dial out.

That's why they make different colored shirts! As doubling amps go, for me the ShuttleMax stuff really works well...I also have a 31 band graphic in the fx loop which helps 'unbake' things a bit :). I dunno...works for me!
 
Since you ask---
The 3 8's are insane. I know it sounds like being boastful but I'll tell y'all one thing---I'm a bass player first and my egotistical investment in my cabs is WAY lower in priority.
With the 88 + 8 cabs I get the floor coupling that I want as well as having the top 8"er elevated at a perfect level for hearing myself. On a very loud gig on Saturday (plenty loud for electric)the drummer even complimented me that he could hear me more clearly that ever before. And when you combine more 8inchers the bass is not just a sum of the drivers (like one C8 but louder). They combine to make the bass much bigger. Even if I wasn't selling these puppies and just made it for myself I'd be thrilled. I walked to my gig with no cart---it was an electric bass gig---My bass on straps on my back, my Doubler in a shoulder bag, and easily carrying one speaker in each hand.
Actually the biggest thanks go to some of guys here that started with the idea of composite cabs, and Faital for knocking it out of the park with the 8" driver.And it's been awesome working with Greenboy who helped refine the concept and perfectly integrated the tweeter.