New mesa subway amps and cabs!

[57pbass]

I hope you enjoy your first test drive with it it as much as I did and look forward to hearing your impressions.

Unfortunately My UPS guy delivers very late in the day ..6 o’clock ish.. so .. the wait continues..

 

[Al Kraft]

Unfortunately My UPS guy delivers very late in the day ..6 o’clock ish.. so .. the wait continues..

That was the bad news..., the good news is that it will be worth the wait!!

 

[callmejs]

There may be some of this, I believe the video used mostly room mic to give a better impression of what it sounded in the room.

With some of the comments being made, and different player tastes combined with variables in the video delivery system keep any video demos from being "gospel". I'm staring to wonder if it's worth the considerable effort and time taken to put these videos together that show the amp's depth of features and the relative differences between cabinets. There's a lot of information being presented aside from anybody's personal tone preference or playing style. Are you critics so good of a player that you can't put personal bias aside and take this for what it is?

Absolutely no problem with the player (Mr Duffy rocks), nor the styles, nor the feature walk-through. Mesa demos are very well designed, just like their products.

Was simply surprised by the "high treble content", I didn't realize that was intended and not a byproduct of Youtube. Sorry if my comment offended you @agedhorse , anybody that worked on putting this together or fellow TBers, it honnestly wasn't intended.

 

[agedhorse]

One time I played the video I got a doubling of the track, so artifacts are certainly an additional possibility. YouTube (and many other video clip playback services) are quite dependent on internet speed and error rate for accurate playback. My internet connection isn't that great, I suffer regularly when playing all video content.

We received some very rude demeaning comments about the player's ability and technique, including a couple of PMs that surprised me by what was said. For those folks, if you really think you are far and away a better player then put your money where your mouth is and post an awesome video rather than telling me our player sucks donkey genitals.

 

[redstrand]

One time I played the video I got a doubling of the track, so artifacts are certainly an additional possibility. YouTube (and many other video clip playback services) are quite dependent on internet speed and error rate for accurate playback. My internet connection isn't that great, I suffer regularly when playing all video content.

We received some very rude demeaning comments about the player's ability and technique, including a couple of PMs that surprised me by what was said. For those folks, if you really think you are far and away a better player then put your money where your mouth is and post an awesome video rather than telling me our player sucks donkey genitals.

Nobody commenting here can hold a handle to Duffy, seen him with a couple of acts now, he kills, one of my faves now. The demo is as straight forward as it needs to be...other than a band situation we really couldn't ask for more (I kid) the haters are gonna hate. Honestly, I didn't like the D800 or the plus that much compared to the Quilter and Ampeg I tried, that's just me. Now when I saw the feature set and the tube pre, I pretty much figured this is the one and should meet my needs and exceed them well

 

[DJ Bebop]

There may be some of this, I believe the video used mostly room mic to give a better impression of what it sounded in the room.

With some of the comments being made, and different player tastes combined with variables in the video delivery system keep any video demos from being "gospel". I'm staring to wonder if it's worth the considerable effort and time taken to put these videos together that show the amp's depth of features and the relative differences between cabinets. There's a lot of information being presented aside from anybody's personal tone preference or playing style. Are you critics so good of a player that you can't put personal bias aside and take this for what it is?

I dig.

Myself, by the way, was not critical of the videos, maybe the earlier one that sounded like pluck, pluck plukety

I was making a vid at home with my personal crap and, it came out like this. It didn't sound like it did in the room to me. I was surprised that the mic picked up more acoustic sound of the bass. As if it was right on the bass.
So, when I heard this and looked closely at the vid and saw the room mic, ah ha room mic picking up the bass.

Having said that, the playing in the video I wish would have been more 'old school' more, thumpy less finger picking but,
Because I am old and you are young. Yes while you are young yes you wanna have some fun
Run me down
Shudlee boop boo woodlee diddlee ooh, zeen
Borrowed from Barry Levington

In other words, maybe I am too old to appreciate this kind of playing

Btw, I have no problem with Mr. Duffy or his playing.

 

[Al Kraft]

Nobody commenting here can hold a handle to Duffy, seen him with a couple of acts now, he kills, one of my faves now. The demo is as straight forward as it needs to be...other than a band situation we really couldn't ask for more (I kid) the haters are gonna hate. Honestly, I didn't like the D800 or the plus that much compared to the Quilter and Ampeg I tried, that's just me. Now when I saw the feature set and the tube pre, I pretty much figured this is the one and should meet my needs and exceed them well

+1 on Duffy, not to mention he provided a number of different styles and tonal set-ups in his demo.

Your post says to me that says you got what you needed in all these videos - which was to be able to know whether the product was potentially something that might work for you and if you should even bother going to try one out. In the case of the D-800/800+ and the WD-800 they both served their purpose to help you make a decision.

 

[nostatic]

We received some very rude demeaning comments about the player's ability and technique, including a couple of PMs that surprised me by what was said. For those folks, if you really think you are far and away a better player then put your money where your mouth is and post an awesome video rather than telling me our player sucks donkey genitals.

People suck. Just read comments on almost any youtube video.

Or better yet, don't. Better for your mental health. There always is some douchebag who will criticize, in part because they can't do whatever they're commenting nearly as well as the person who had the balls to do publicly it in the first place.

 

[nostatic]

I was making a vid at home with my personal crap and, it came out like this. It didn't sound like it did in the room to me. I was surprised that the mic picked up more acoustic sound of the bass. As if it was right on the bass.
So, when I heard this and looked closely at the vid and saw the room mic, ah ha room mic picking up the bass.

Usually when I'm doing a "demo" video, I will take a mix of mic and DI signal, trying to avoid any phase cancellations. Sometimes I close-mic (which will minimize extraneous noises), other times I'll back the mic off a few feet - particularly if I'm trying to convey the sound of the cabinet.

No single right way to do it - depends on what you're trying to accomplish. When I demo'd the D800+, I looped a bass line and then went through each of the controls one by one. The looping eliminates variability on the signal coming from the bass. All those years of scientific training - minimize as many variable as possible :

 

[Lowendtech]

I liked the videos. I got everything I needed out of them to know I’ve made a good decision to be an early WD adopter.
It’s just a shame that I’m Cab rich at the moment or I’d have ordered that 215 as well.

 

[12bass]

A person does not need to be Michaelangelo in order to make a judgment about whether or not something is a good piece of art. The skills required to make aesthetic judgements are different than the ones necessary to paint. I've never understood that line of reasoning.

 

[agedhorse]

A person does not need to be Michaelangelo in order to make a judgment about whether or not something is a good piece of art. The skills required to make asthetic judgements are different than the ones necessary to paint. I've never understood that line of reasoning.

In this case, the guy claimed that he was a far better bass player, and that we must have overlooked him when we made the video... but he was available to "fix out problem" with his awesome playing.

I'm not saying that there aren't good players out there, but some guys don't have a very good way with how they present themselves, leaving greater doubts as to how good they really are.

 

[nostatic]

A person does not need to be Michaelangelo in order to make a judgment about whether or not something is a good piece of art. The skills required to make aesthetic judgements are different than the ones necessary to paint. I've never understood that line of reasoning.

But it does take skills to make an informed and useful judgement. And 99% of those who criticize lack those skills (particularly on youtube).

Critique is a disciplined, informed, and important skill/task. Criticism is easy, sometimes mean-spirited, and often useless.

 

[Lowendtech]

People suck. Just read comments on almost any youtube video.

Or better yet, don't. Better for your mental health. There always is some douchebag who will criticize, in part because they can't do whatever they're commenting nearly as well as the person who had the balls to do publicly it in the first place.

Yep. This is so true.

Some “people” can only justify their existence by attempting to tear down what other (braver) people have built.
One only needs to turn the news on to verify this.

Every stone thrown is a wasted building block.

 

[redstrand]

+1 on Duffy, not to mention he provided a number of different styles and tonal set-ups in his demo.

Your post says to me that says you got what you needed in all these videos - which was to be able to know whether the product was potentially something that might work for you and if you should even bother going to try one out. In the case of the D-800/800+ and the WD-800 they both served their purpose to help you make a decision.

I tried the 800's out in person, like I said, kinda liked them but wasn't what I was looking for, this on the other hand with the tube pre and a nod to the walkabout which I've always lusted for should do the trick. Good thing I get paid for a big project Jan 1, there will be deafness afoot.

 

[DaveKirkpatrick]

Usually when I'm doing a "demo" video, I will take a mix of mic and DI signal, trying to avoid any phase cancellations. Sometimes I close-mic (which will minimize extraneous noises), other times I'll back the mic off a few feet - particularly if I'm trying to convey the sound of the cabinet.

No single right way to do it - depends on what you're trying to accomplish. When I demo'd the D800+, I looped a bass line and then went through each of the controls one by one. The looping eliminates variability on the signal coming from the bass. All those years of scientific training - minimize as many variable as possible :

Your demo of the 800+ is the best one out there. Thanks for doing it.
Now I'll go back to waiting patiently for gig reports/reviews/more demos.............

 

[Al Kraft]

A person does not need to be Michaelangelo in order to make a judgment about whether or not something is a good piece of art. The skills required to make aesthetic judgements are different than the ones necessary to paint. I've never understood that line of reasoning.

I agree with your point. However, the deeper issue here I think is more about being respectful. There are some styles of music that are absolutely not for me, but that doesn't mean they're trash or imply anything negative about those who play that style or enjoy listening to it. Same with artistic works like paintings and sculpture.

IMO simply stating that something isn't for you or doesn't work for you is all that's necessary in those cases. If appropriate, offering a thought or two about how it might have better connected with you is also fine - everyone who puts something out there should expect (even welcome) some thoughtful feedback. For some reason though, many people today tend to use the safety and anonymity of the internet to be hateful towards others and that type of destructive behavior is never called for IMO.

 

[nostatic]

For some reason though, many people today tend to use the safety and anonymity of the internet to be hateful towards others and that type of destructive behavior is never called for IMO.

There are a lot of reasons. None of them positive.

Criticism is tearing down for the sake of tearing down. Critique is tearing down for the sake of building back up.

 

[s_wood]

In this case, the guy claimed that he was a far better bass player, and that we must have overlooked him when we made the video... but he was available to "fix out problem" with his awesome playing.

I'm not saying that there aren't good players out there, but some guys don't have a very good way with how they present themselves, leaving greater doubts as to how good they really are.

Well, I liked the video. Frankly, I don’t care what Victor Wooten or Hadrien Feraud or the virtuoso du jour sounds like when he or she is playing a solo gig with the WD800. Those folks are amazing players, but their gig is not my gig. My gigs require me to be a bass player in a band...to lock in with a drummer, and to support the guitar player and keys. The bass player in the WD800 video was doing the kinds of stuff most bass players do on real gigs. And that’s what I need to hear when gear is being demo’d that I am thinking of buying.

 

[12bass]

IMO simply stating that something isn't for you or doesn't work for you is all that's necessary in those cases. If appropriate, offering a thought or two about how it might have better connected with you is also fine - everyone who puts something out there should expect (even welcome) some thoughtful feedback. For some reason though, many people today tend to use the safety and anonymity of the internet to be hateful towards others and that type of destructive behavior is never called for IMO.

I reject your agreement and reply with contradiction....

The psychology of human social behavior on the Internet is a curious thing. I try not to let myself fall into the trap of depersonalizing others and aim to be constructive. But sadly, yes, there is no shortage of trolls and other miscreants who seem to derive pleasure from hurting others. Over the years I've learned to ignore them and focus on people who are interested in constructive dialog. But sometimes....