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New/obscure jazz & fusion players?

#61
Honch said:
I have the old David Sancious "fusion/prog" records, " Forest of Feelings", "Just As I thought" and "Tones (Transformation)". No matter how much dated it sounds today, I love it. When I hear it today, I can understand the "wear" that time has chewed on it, but as long as it is good playing, it's great. If there's a good composition behind it, I don't mind any shredding or solos on any instrument. He kept that groove up. I don't know if he's on those albums though! ;)

But I agree with you completely on one thing: That he plays on Stick these days, but "his voice" on electric is amazing. This is really OT, but if you've read my earlier rants about Stick and Stick players this touches on the exact same thing, I have been thinking about Stick players all along. They have no voice on Stick, they can't "sing" with their instruments. They sounds the same, all these tapping guys. As fast as they go over to electric bass and pluck the damm things, their own uniqe voice starts to come forward. It's a more personal voice, especially in dynamics area. But, before we derail and hijack the topic, let's not go there. But I agree with you!

EDIT: He just talks on that video though...;)
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Yes I also love the old Sancious records too. Just as I Thought has Jeff Berlin on it and overall I liken some of that Sancious material to Bruford or UK. I'm also not a big fan of the stick for the reasons you mention.
 
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#62
srayb said:
Antoine Fafard with the band Spaced Out.
Robertino Pagliari with the band Ohm.
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Good call. I know both of them pretty well. I haven't heard Robby play over changes per se though I do like Ohm and think Chris Poland is a bad ass on guitar; more the rock side of fusion I would say.

Fafard has a new album out with Gary Husband and Jerry De Villiers Jr on guitar.
 
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#63
fusionguy said:
Dominique is definitely great but as with my reply about Jonas Hellborg I feel compelled to point out that he is pretty famous in the fusion bass world and has been around a long time; I first heard him with McLaughlin as well as with French guitarist Louis Winsberg in the early 1990s.
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You are definitely right. But I saw some well-known players mentioned, that's why I went down that road ;)
 
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#66
Bob_Ross said:
Not so much new, but under the radar enough to probably be considered obscure:

Tim Landers
Baron Browne
Plus the late Dave Carpenter and Wayne Pedizwatr
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Hmmm I sure hope Landers and Browne aren't considered obscure given their history. I have heard Landers play with Al Di Meola, Vital Information, Billy Cobham, Frank Gambale etc. Browne I've heard with Jean Luc Ponty, Vital Information, Steps Ahead and Billy Cobham just to name a few. They have some overlap as you can see and these are some of the highest profile jazz fusion artists over the course of over 30 years in addition to their pop/studio work.

Dave Carpenter I also liked quite a bit and thought he was pretty high profile in the this world from his gigs with Holdsworth, Peter Erskine and Scott Henderson as well as studio work with Streisand etc. Again, very significant gigs and well known (at least I thought) to musicians dating back over the course of 3 decades.

I think you are closer to the mark about Wayne Pedizwatr though, even though he too had some higher profile gigs way back when. I don't think I have seen him mentioned much at all and there doesn't seem to be too much of his playing available either and definitely not as much as I'd like in the vein I have in mind.
 
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fusionguy said:
Dave Carpenter I also liked quite a bit and thought he was pretty high profile in the this world from his gigs with Holdsworth, Peter Erskine and Scott Henderson as well as studio work with Streisand etc.
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See, and I only knew Carpenter through his work with Holdsworth, had no idea he'd done any work with Erskine, Henderson, and especially not a bona fide high-profile act like Streisand!

Fusion -- especially fusion that's actually got some jazz going on in it, as opposed to just technical post-metal or "NAMM-Show-Instrumentals" -- is really a pretty small niche. Maybe a niche of a niche. Being a High Profile Fusion Bass Player Who Can Blow Over Changes is kind of like being a High Profile Artisanal Knife Maker Who Only Works In Self-Mined Metals: You could be at the pinnacle of that industry -- you would have to be to earn the "high profile" part of the monicker -- and you'd still remain under the radar of 90% of the folks who care about Fusion (or handmade knives).
 
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Bob_Ross said:
See, and I only knew Carpenter through his work with Holdsworth, had no idea he'd done any work with Erskine, Henderson, and especially not a bona fide high-profile act like Streisand!

Fusion -- especially fusion that's actually got some jazz going on in it, as opposed to just technical post-metal or "NAMM-Show-Instrumentals" -- is really a pretty small niche. Maybe a niche of a niche. Being a High Profile Fusion Bass Player Who Can Blow Over Changes is kind of like being a High Profile Artisanal Knife Maker Who Only Works In Self-Mined Metals: You could be at the pinnacle of that industry -- you would have to be to earn the "high profile" part of the monicker -- and you'd still remain under the radar of 90% of the folks who care about Fusion (or handmade knives).
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I know what you mean about high profiles and this music and I'm glad to spread the word about some of these guys :)
 
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I don't know if Or Lubianiker is Johnny Winter reincarnated by the looks only. ;) He looks like a very very young Johnny Winter only with a crew cut. Don't know if this guy has albinism or not. He used to (still?) be an endorser for Dingwall basses, and now for Mayones. Some of his videos are funny and humoursly made.

BTW I like him too.
 

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