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New Stingray Special or New Flea Bass?

New Stingray Special or New Flea Bass?

  • Stingray Special

    Votes: 318 87.4%
  • Fender Flea bass

    Votes: 46 12.6%

  • Total voters
    364
Now I'm a huge Stingray fan, in fact I only play Stingrays and Precisions nowadays, but what exactly is immensely better? I'd say the weight loss is by far the best thing they did on the Specials. The hollow saddles that they use (same as on the Classic line) are objectively worse because they don't allow the action to go as low as their standard saddles did. Might not be a problem for some though. So that's not better certainly.

Roasted necks? Cool. Looks pretty. Oil and wax finish is still the same, and it's a "wipe on wipe off" approach as it has always been. I've put 8 coats of Tru Oil on mine to give it a "gun stock" finish as it was intended to be used (Tru Oil is a varnish).

In terms of preamp/pickup/tone, I believe I'd prefer it to the old 3 band, but the 2 band has pretty much been the king for most Stingray aficionados - no high pass filter, fatter, more open tone, gets both smoother tones better and more aggressive ones no problem.

So.. Less weight? Yup. Contours? Never had a problem, even with a slab body rays and old SUBs. 22nd fret? I'd take it or leave it. Tone? That's subjective.

I'm not knocking the new ones, but Stingrays have always been great. Their quality was always high. There's nothing that would make them "immensely better".[/QUOTE
Total package IMO. EBMM shaved off edges on the right spots, and shifting to a 5 bolt neck/body joint doesn't cause a trainwreck when shifting up the neck. Tried a 2-band years ago, just wasn't my thing, all of my Srs are 3-band, ('14 4HH and '17 5H) just personal preference. 18V is great as well.
IMO, it's even better when hitched to a GK head/combo.
I'm not going back to edit, but it should of said, "...immensely better than the Fender..." Thx.
 
Total package IMO. EBMM shaved off edges on the right spots, and shifting to a 5 bolt neck/body joint doesn't cause a trainwreck when shifting up the neck. Tried a 2-band years ago, just wasn't my thing, all of my Srs are 3-band, ('14 4HH and '17 5H) just personal preference. 18V is great as well.
IMO, it's even better when hitched to a GK head/combo.
I'm not going back to edit, but it should of said, "...immensely better than the Fender..." Thx.

Fair enough. I'd love to try one, hell I'd love to own one in the future.
Oh and you're right about the GK combo thing. I play mine through GK 2001RB + GK 410RBH or GK 412 NEO. Awesomeness.
 
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Name ONE "new" thing that Fender has produced in say the past...10 or 20 years that has or will change the benchmark for the next 25-30 years? No, no, you're right, it's the "New Fender Elite American Professional Elite Precision Shazbot Vintage Signature..." The 2018 EBMM Special is in the spirit of her ancestors, but immensely better. It's one of the first things to come out in the mass produced U.S. built bass industry since the advent of dare I say Leo electrified the instrument.
Selectively omitting, I mean editing, my opinion to fit your attempt to remain relevant is why objective analysis is now considered "fringe."
...reading is fundamental.
Are you sure you aren't in Polk County? ;)

Are you saying that the Special will change the world for the next 25-30 years? Okay.... I own one and it's great, but in the end most people would rather that I show up with a P bass. That's not going to change. A P bass, through some tubes, will be the recorded bass tone of choice. Fender doesn't need to change the next 25-30 years. They already own it.
 
Position 4 cut the bass and treble and slight mid boost.

I've heard a clip of that setting. I even think you posted it in another thread it if I'm not wrong. It's nice, glad it works for you, but it doesn't really do that P thing for me. But I'm one of those guys who don't want a Swiss army knife of basses, I just want my basses to do their thing and don't need them to be "game changer" if you catch my drift lol.
 
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Are you saying that the Special will change the world for the next 25-30 years? Okay.... I own one and it's great, but in the end most people would rather that I show up with a P bass. That's not going to change. A P bass, through some tubes, will be the recorded bass tone of choice. Fender doesn't need to change the next 25-30 years. They already own it.
Never have had any issue(s) when recording with any of my Srs.
From QC of material procurement, to fabrication, to electronics, to control surfaces to the end-user, EBMM Sr first time everytime IMO.
Sure, if a engineer/producer says "use THIS instead..." and "using this" is contingent on payment(s) well, duh, they'll get what they want.
"Own it"? Nah, not from a stock U.S. production to end user stand point; total package.
Mids are mids, scoop it or boost it an HH can do it.
 
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Never have had any issue(s) when recording with any of my Srs.
From QC of material procurement, to fabrication, to electronics, to control surfaces to the end-user, EBMM Sr first time everytime IMO.
Sure, if a engineer/producer says "use THIS instead..." and "using this" is contingent on payment(s) well, duh, they'll get what they want.
"Own it"? Nah, not from a stock U.S. production to end user stand point; total package.
Mids are mids, scoop it or boost it an HH can do it.

I own a 4HH Special. Great bass and all, bu Fender will still outsell EBMM by a few orders of magnitude.
 
Yeah, no need to remove the neck to adjust the Fender Flea. Fender's come with an excellent quality T-wrench for the allen adjustment. Agreed, it's not as nice as the Music Man wheel adjustment (which has been adopted in Fender's Elite line), but the next best thing and nothing to complain about.
It doesn't really matter to me. The temperature is relatively consistent where we live. I've adjusted the truss rod on very few instruments I've had over the years. I've never adjusted the truss rod on my MIA P in 7 years and it plays teriffic.
 
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It doesn't really matter to me. The temperature is relatively consistent where we live. I've adjusted the truss rod on very few instruments I've had over the years. I've never adjusted the truss rod on my MIA P in 7 years and it plays teriffic.
Fair enough. I live in Texas. Lots of variation in weather but it's more about changing strings with different tensions. The truss wheel is a superior method. FMIC liked it so much they put it on their top of the line instruments.
 
In this particular match-up I'd pick the Stingray, but in general I'd go with Fender over EBMM. I don't agree that EBMM is objectively better quality than Fender. In fact, I think Fender makes the better necks. In my experience, Fender necks are more stable, lower maintenance, and just more comfortable to play. EBMM used to have better bridges, but now they've taken away the studs preventing saddle wobble and brought back the inferior hollow saddles on the Stingray Special. It's basically a nicer looking bent plate with less adjustability. And I've seen no meaningful distinction between the two on fit and finish. Even most Mexican Fenders seem to have the same tight neck pockets and quality nut and fretwork that you'd see from EBMM. So this notion that EBMM is sooo much better and sexier than fusty old Fender seems to come mainly from the admittedly cool matte black hardware, marketing videos, and cooking the necks.
 
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To me there's two chaps digging the essentials of basses and playing them: Leo F. & Ned S. -both created time- and perfect fancyless instruments, all others were just followers ... e.g. Spector & Warwick and all the close to 1:1 J&P-remakes ... Fender was the first to think things fundamentally over and Steinberger closed that circle in the early '80s.
 
I disagree. As I've said, I've owned tons of American Fenders over the years and I was able to sell off my P and J after getting the SRS HH. I can get 98% there and that's good enough for me. The new pickups and preamps get me where I need to go. If you spend more than a few minutes with them it's pretty damned easy to do. I've played mine approximately 250-300 hours since I got it and I can make it sound the way I want. I have no jazz or p bass GAS at all anymore

Do you have some sound samples or videos that show these P or J settings of the SRS accurately? I am curious.