New tuners are almost impossible to turn

Discussion in 'Hardware, Setup & Repair [BG]' started by Bass4ThePublic, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. Bass4ThePublic

    Bass4ThePublic Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2019
    Kansas City
    I put new Gotoh reverse tuners on my parts Precision Bass. The only problem is they’re wayy hard to turn. I can’t even use my left hand to turn them. There are little metal “nubs” on the inside of the tuners which are making them stick out and bend. Do I hammer them in?

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  2. Killed_by_Death

    Killed_by_Death Snaggletooth Inactive

    That doesn't look right, the screws aren't in straight.
    Was there some installation difficulties you're not telling us about?
    It appears to me they might be bound up in there!
     
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  3. Bass4ThePublic

    Bass4ThePublic Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2019
    Kansas City
    Somehow forgot to mention that.... I had a little trouble screwing them in straight, mostly because there were previous holes in the way :( pretty bad for a first build
     
  4. Killed_by_Death

    Killed_by_Death Snaggletooth Inactive

    Remove everything, plug the old holes & start over.
     
  5. Bass4ThePublic

    Bass4ThePublic Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2019
    Kansas City
    I’ll probably end up just putting thebold ones back on, as there was nothing wrong with them I just put the reverse tuners on for historical accuracy.
     
  6. Badwater

    Badwater

    Jan 12, 2017
    I agree with the above, that does not look right. The tuners are not flush which could be they are pressed hard to one side of the hole, thus causing the tension.
     
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  7. Bass4ThePublic

    Bass4ThePublic Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2019
    Kansas City
    I just reinstalled the old tuners, so problem fixed??? anyways mods can close this down
     
  8. Turnaround

    Turnaround Commercial User

    May 6, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Independent Instrument Technician - Retired
    For those who run into this problem, you are not the first. Fender actually had the same problem. It occurs because those "nubs" that hold the U-shaped part over the stem of the tuner key to the base plate protrude and keep the plate from resting flat on the headstock. When the screws are tightened, they distort the base plate and that causes binding. The way Fender fixed it was to mill small divots into the headstock right where those nubs occur so the base plate could lay flush. You need to mill those divots into the headstock if they aren't already there when installing this kind of tuner.
     
  9. CharlieB

    CharlieB

    Jun 15, 2019
    Yup, any time the shaft is not square with the bushing.... you get binding
     
  10. ixlramp

    ixlramp Guest

    Jan 25, 2005
    Bad tuner design, surprising for Gotoh.
    Just because nubs are traditional doesn't make them good or worth copying.
    I wonder if it's because traditionalists would complain they're not identical to the original design, even though it's bad design?
     
  11. Turnaround

    Turnaround Commercial User

    May 6, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Independent Instrument Technician - Retired
    I would say that is true about most of the re-issues on the market. There may be some items that warrant the veneration they get as "vintage", but a slavish copy of the originals ignores all the advances that have been made in the years since. These vintage tuners are a poignant case.
     
  12. digmeout

    digmeout

    Oct 21, 2012
    Arizona
    You'd have to blame Kluson for that design. Gotoh is just copying the original design so that people with older basses with the divots already present can replace worn tuners. They also make this design with a flat back so they can be used on headstocks without the divots, for more money of course, and yes indeed if you don't divot the headstock with the original design tuners they can be problematic.
     
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  13. CharlieB

    CharlieB

    Jun 15, 2019
    Jeeze! How hard is it to make eight little divots that won't be seen by anyone unless you take the tuners (that you love...) off?
     
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  14. Bass4ThePublic

    Bass4ThePublic Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2019
    Kansas City
    Just about as hard as removing the 8 little nubs :/
     
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  15. Bass4ThePublic

    Bass4ThePublic Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2019
    Kansas City
    GB640 | G-GOTOH Ltd.

    Is this what you’re talking about?
     
  16. digmeout

    digmeout

    Oct 21, 2012
    Arizona
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  17. CharlieB

    CharlieB

    Jun 15, 2019
    Don't the nubs hold in the part that retains the worm gear? If those were removed... I'm not too clear on this, as I don't have one in front of me....
     
  18. Bass4ThePublic

    Bass4ThePublic Supporting Member

    Jan 27, 2019
    Kansas City
    The 4 screws do a good job of holding them in place, no matter how easy they are to strip...
     
  19. digmeout

    digmeout

    Oct 21, 2012
    Arizona
    Yes if the nubs are removed from the original design tuners they will come apart. The flat back ones as in the link I posted above are machined differently, so nothing protrudes from the back and they lay flat.
     
  20. BAG

    BAG

    May 5, 2014
    New Zealand
    That's not how it works here on TB sonny.

    Even though you think you've solved your problem there will still be two pages of people late to the thread that really want you to know how much experience they have and umpteen different ways you could fix your (now non-existent) problem. ;)