New Warwick Vertical 410

[Saetia]

In addition to what was listed here.

Bergantino NXT410-C is vertical staggered.

Bag End made a vertical staggered cab as well.

For what it's worth, I've made a study about cab modularity. All Mesa Subway cabs share the same width except the 410.
Andy could make staggered 410, that one could combine with any other Subway, but you can already stack 2x210 for roughly the same result.

@agedhorse seems like this one keeps popping up on TB… you know I’d buy two…

 

[Altitude]

I like it and I do favor the vertical 410 form factor.

Still, I think it’s probably easier to carry two 210s separately. This cabinet has a bigger box and may have low end advantages, but the schlep is a big deal to me.

 

[Michedelic]

GK also made a staggered 412 for a long time.

And a staggered, but wider, 4x10. Eden had a vertical 4x10, I had one for a while, can’t remember why I got rid of it, though…

Tiltback, two wheels in back.

 

[Saetia]

I like it and I do favor the vertical 410 form factor.

Still, I think it’s probably easier to carry two 210s separately. This cabinet has a bigger box and may have low end advantages, but the schlep is a big deal to me.

It’s 1.6” shorter and 13lbs lighter than my NV410-T and that is a very easy cab to tilt and roll.

I’m 6’4 and used to have a Henry the 8x8 and at 36” was a touch difficult for me to tilt and roll because it was too low lol. Weight and vertical lift doesn’t bother me yet.

I think the 38” to 40” area is a pretty solid height for a tilt and roll can for a variety of different sized people. I can lift a cab no problem so it’s not an issue yet for me, some day it will be I’m sure but until then this tilt and roll and lifting when needed works great.

Being a broad man I also run into the issue of destroying my hands on doorways when lifting cabs through… has always been a problem for me… guitar cabs mostly but I’ve owned wider bass cabs back in the day. These 18 to 20” wide cabs rock.

Can trade a little bit of the schlep

Will say I have Mesa Subway UL 115’s if I need a light carry.

A Subway UL staggered vert 410 that tilts and rolls would be basically dream cabs and might just dethrone the UL 115’s for me…

I’d take 2 and be loaded for bear.

 

[agedhorse]

In addition to what was listed here.

Bergantino NXT410-C is vertical staggered.

Bag End made a vertical staggered cab as well.


@agedhorse seems like this one keeps popping up on TB… you know I’d buy two…

A straight vertical 210 suffers from stability issues (there are some general anti-tip over safety requirements in general product safety regulations and for combos the anti-tip over requirements under IEC 62368 are more stringent still.

I would be inclined to believe that a staggered design would be ok (if not too thin front to back) from that standpoint as the added width would help. We have done some staggered designs in the past (412’s). I periodically revisit this concept, but so far the demand hasn’t been there.

The Subway 410 was designed around those legacy players using our older heads, and those looking for the traditional look (especially when stacking to make an 810).

 

[baxter_x]

Aguilar made a verticle 4x12” for a while as well

And what a great cab! I tried it once and I was impressed by its precision and dispersion. I think it was the GS412 if I remember correctly.

 

[Saetia]

A straight vertical 210 suffers from stability issues (there are some general anti-tip over safety requirements in general product safety regulations and for combos the anti-tip over requirements under IEC 62368 are more stringent still.

I would be inclined to believe that a staggered design would be ok (if not too thin front to back) from that standpoint as the added width would help. We have done some staggered designs in the past (412’s). I periodically revisit this concept, but so far the demand hasn’t been there.

The Subway 410 was designed around those legacy players using our older heads, and those looking for the traditional look (especially when stacking to make an 810).

Totally understand demand, that is a key component for feasibility and if there isn’t demand no sense in allocating time and resources.

 

[wissler]

Vertical is one on top of the other. That's diagonal, like the old mesa cab I had. It was a 412. They sound killer.edit for spelling

 

[Fuzzbass]

Vertical is one on top of the other. That's diagonal, like the old mesa can I had. Also a 412. They sound killer.edit for spelling

If we're being THAT picky, you're incorrect: a diagonal is a straight line. These tall 4x10 configurations are "offset" or "staggered". But in terms of cabinet design, they are effectively vertical.

 

[Timmah]

And a staggered, but wider, 4x10. Eden had a vertical 4x10, I had one for a while, can’t remember why I got rid of it, though…
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Tiltback, two wheels in back.

I seem to remember they made a combo version too- seemed great at the time but it was a big heavy thing as other companies were releasing more portable options so you don’t see a lot of them.

 

[kevk]

My Berg cab’s..all tilt and roll design. The 410/312 are easy to manage/load by yourself; the 610 is challenging to say the least. All sealed cab’s; custom-designed ceramic woofers. The 410/312 cab’s measure 39-1/2” x 18-1/2” x 13” deep; 79/75 lbs. They pair well with any head I’ve tried, and all have different tonal characteristics. The 410/312 pair nicely, too!

 

[agedhorse]

If we're being THAT picky, you're incorrect: a diagonal is a straight line. These tall 4x10 configurations are "offset" or "staggered". But in terms of cabinet design, they are effectively vertical.

No, it’s not effectively vertical.

 

[Fuzzbass]

I'm currently using the aforementioned Bergantino NV410T and it's amazing for many reasons, not just the vertical design. But I'd already discovered the superiority (IMO) of vertical tens when stacking a pair of 2x10 cabs vertically: the greater height (compared to horizontal stacking, or a standard square 4x10) allowed me to hear myself better, which is especially valuable on smaller stages where I'm standing right in front of my amp rig.

A nice advantage of 2x2x10 over 4x10 is modularity: every so often I play a gig where I only need one 2x10. But my vertical 4x10 has a relatively narrow footprint, so it also works in cramped conditions -- and I know how to use a volume knob. But I still have smaller cabs if necessary.


P.S. In close to two decades I've only played a few gigs where stability was a problem for vertically stacked 2x10 cabs -- usually outdoors on uneven ground. So, I didn't stack them. I've only had my vertical 4x10 for a year... but let me put it this way: if the ground is too uneven for that cab, then it'll be too uneven for a drumset.

No, it’s not effectively vertical.

Ok, I misused "effectively". I meant to say "close enough for most ears".

 

[fu22ba55]

I'm showing my age. Nothing new about vertical 4x10s.

I remember tons of these as PA cabs popping up at crappy venues in my youth.

(Though not technically bass cabs).

 

[lug]

I'm currently using the aforementioned Bergantino NV410T and it's amazing for many reasons, not just the vertical design. But I'd already discovered the superiority (IMO) of vertical tens when stacking a pair of 2x10 cabs vertically: the greater height (compared to horizontal stacking, or a standard square 4x10) allowed me to hear myself better, which is especially valuable on smaller stages where I'm standing right in front of my amp rig.

A nice advantage of 2x2x10 over 4x10 is modularity: every so often I play a gig where I only need one 2x10. But my vertical 4x10 has a relatively narrow footprint, so it also works in cramped conditions -- and I know how to use a volume knob. But I still have smaller cabs if necessary.


P.S. In close to two decades I've only played a few gigs where stability was a problem for vertically stacked 2x10 cabs -- usually outdoors on uneven ground. So, I didn't stack them. I've only had my vertical 4x10 for a year... but let me put it this way: if the ground is too uneven for that cab, then it'll be too uneven for a drumset.




Ok, I misused "effectively". I meant to say "close enough for most ears".

Agreed. These cabs are only 14" wide and I've never had any trouble with instability.

 

[Saetia]

My Berg cab’s..all tilt and roll design. The 410/312 are easy to manage/load by yourself; the 610 is challenging to say the least. All sealed cab’s; custom-designed ceramic woofers. The 410/312 cab’s measure 39-1/2” x 18-1/2” x 13” deep; 79/75 lbs. They pair well with any head I’ve tried, and all have different tonal characteristics. The 410/312 pair nicely, too!View attachment 7535480

I say it every time and I’m not going to stop but… you make me want another NV410T or the NV312T to go with my 410…. Juicy.

 

[ravlin]

My Berg cab’s..all tilt and roll design. The 410/312 are easy to manage/load by yourself; the 610 is challenging to say the least. All sealed cab’s; custom-designed ceramic woofers. The 410/312 cab’s measure 39-1/2” x 18-1/2” x 13” deep; 79/75 lbs. They pair well with any head I’ve tried, and all have different tonal characteristics. The 410/312 pair nicely, too!View attachment 7535480

I was just going to wonder why no one makes a 312. Now the question is just about a more attainable one. Beautiful cabs!

 

[Saetia]

I was just going to wonder why no one makes a 312. Now the question is just about a more attainable one. Beautiful cabs!

If I remember correctly there was a build thread of one some time back. Believe it used Faital drivers.

 

[pb9717]

I lost interest right after I read “66lbs”.

 

[pisces_bass]

Offset and 30” tall