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I like seeing the Octave Deluxe there; I used my B24 at practice the other night, with a patch I made for a synthy bass. It had one of the octavers and though it worked, it sounded a little thin in my IEMs. But, what was interesting was that anything under the low A didn't fart out or lose tracking. On my stand alone octave pedal (vintage MXR octave Deluxe), I have to shut it off at A or lower or risk the bad tracking.

Looking forward to hearing about your set tonight.

I honestly haven’t played with the B24s octaves yet because the BOD just has my favorite down sound. It’s good to know that they track well, octavers on multis can be hit and miss.

As far as the performance went, 100% rock solid. I’m floored as to how natural the tone out of this is, it’s just a really great piece of equipment.
 
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Hi all,

I assume there ist no way to split amp and cab when using for example the SVT or Bassman amp model, correct?

I second on the idea of having the knobs visible on the display for more than 3 seconds.
And why do they put the DIs on a foot switch, while other functions are hosted on the plastic knobs? Who is switching the DI all the time?

Was anyone able to access the unit via Zoom Guitar Lab with a Mac? I got 'no device found', even though it works with my B6.

Thanks!
 
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Hi all,

I assume there ist no way to split amp and cab when using for example the SVT or Bassman amp model, correct?

I second on the idea of having the knobs visible on the display for more than 3 seconds.
And why do they put the DIs on a foot switch, while other functions are hosted on the plastic knobs? Who is switching the DI all the time?

Was anyone able to access the unit via Zoom Guitar Lab with a Mac? I got 'no device found', even though it works with my B6.

Thanks!

You are correct: all the amps just have their hardwired cab (i.e., no cab selection for any of the combos). However, you can do quite a bit with either the amp's EQ or the EQ modules to shape things. (A cab IR is just a very detailed EQ curve).

Agreed about the realtime dedicated DI selection--- it's funny how subtle the sound change is-- then you're like: "Hey crowd! Check this out, I'm switching from Tube DI 1 to Tube DI ... 3... ooooo.... Pretty sweet, eh?"

Is Guitar Lab for B2 Four iOS only? I'm not seeing any Mac Guitar Lab in the B2 Four's downloads.
 
Well, here's my hot take after spending about an hour with the B24.

I'm coming from a pedal board that consists of a MS60b -> Zoom B3. I play in a party/wedding cover band. So styles range from Motown to modern pop, some heavy-ish rock, a few synth bass things. I don't perform with an amp, so I'm relying on the amp sims.

Overall I'm very happy with the B24. With a few exceptions, the quality of the individual effects is as good or better than the B3/MS60B. The biggest exception is the fuzz. I really liked the Big Muff emulation on the B3/MS60B. There are two fuzz effects on the B24 (Fuzz Smile and NY Fuzz) and neither are as good as the Big Muff. I find them either piercing or completely lacking clarity. Maybe with some more time, I could dial something better in. But this is all OK because as much as I like the Big Muff, my favorite fuzz actually comes from the emulation of the Xotic BB preamp and it's still here in the B24.

Several of the other effects on the B24 sound better and are more usable than their counterparts on the B3/MS60B. I find the octavers have better tracking and tone. And the synth bass and envelope effects are much less finicky on the B24. On the B3/MS60B it was possible to get usable sounds from these effects, but it took getting the sensitivity just right. On the B24 they just seem to work (with no sensitivity param).

As others have noted, many of the effects lost some of their parameters. With four knobs on the B24 vs. three on the B3/MS60B, Zoom seems to have really focused on trying to keep the paging to a minimum. So far, I don't miss the extra parameters. I think this approach worked.

There are fewer amp sims and what are there lack any sort of cabinet emulation. I'm not really troubled by this. I don't need dozens of amps to choose from. I just need something that will give me a good usable tone and easy to adjust eq. There are plenty of options that fit that bill in the B24.

The bottom line is it sounds great, has more effects than I'll ever need, is compact, and is easy to use.

I'm finding it hard to find fault with the B24. But there are a few things I wish Zoom had done differently.

There are way (I mean way) too many presets. 250 presets is just too much. So many of them sound the same. Many of them are just an amp sim with a particular eq applied. It's silly. And you might say, "so what?" The thing is, it makes getting around in the patch menu a chore. 50 solid presets that showed off the capabilities of the pedal would have been plenty. They seem to have named each preset with a song title and year. In a few cases that works. But in a lot of cases it's just nonsense. 98% of these named patches aren't from songs with iconic bass tones. Money, yes. 7 Nation Army, maybe. Sir Duke, yes. Higher Ground, yes. There are a few other good ones. But there are so many that just aren't necessary.

There are a few effects (synth-talk and tri-chorus for example) that don't seem to able to be used in a patch with any other effects. They're grayed out unless they're the only thing in that bank. That's weird and inconvenient, especially if you're relying on an amp sim. They should have either upped the specs of the pedal or left those out IMO. (Though they both are really cool.)

In addition to the 5 effects slots I was expecting, there's a weird sixth slot that holds a metronome. But there's no audible click. I guess if you use a lot of delay, the looper, or drum machine, this might be useful. But it's weird to me that it sits in the effects chain like a pedal. That should have been it's own separate button or be integrated into the effects that use them.

Same goes for the drum machine. It's weird to treat that like a pedal. It would have been better as a separate function.

I know everyone is excited about the DI. And I would not have bought this without a direct output. That's one of the reasons I stuck with my B3 and never switched to the B3n. But TBH, I just don't need six different DI options. I just need an XLR out to send to the board. I'm going to do all my tone shaping in the effects, eq, etc.

I can't decide how I feel about the bypass button. I can imagine some situations where it might be useful. But I wish it didn't also disable the selection on the DI. It should just turn off all the effects. And it takes up a lot of real estate on the board for fairly limited utility. Here's what I wish they did instead. When you're in the patch menu, you have a patch selected and its light is lit showing which one is selected. Right now, if you tap that button again, nothing happens. It should turn off that patch and bypass all the effects. That would be just as useful as the bypass switch and take up no space on the board. That extra space could be used for breaking out the drum machine or tap tempo.

Ok, I have to say though, I'm being really picky here. So far, my overall impression is that this is a GREAT pedal. It's well worth the $250 price.

It's definitely a good upgrade from my B3. I haven't decided whether I'll keep my MS60B in the line up. There's so much about that pedal I like. It packs an incredible amount of function into a single pedal space. It has the Big Muff fuzz that I like. Keeping it would give me nine effects slots with four of them switchable at any time. But I'm having trouble imagining a scenario where I'd need that. Frankly, I'm having trouble imagining anything I'd need that the B24 couldn't do. And I guess that says it all.
 
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OK, after spending more time with my B24 I have a couple quick corrections.

Many of the envelope and synth effects do have a sensitivity param. Not sure why, but they just seem to work better for me than the B3/MS60b versions.

Also, I found you can use some effects in combination with the synth talk, tri-chorus, and other demanding effects. But it's pretty limited. The Monotone amp sim seems to be the least demanding amp. The Dynamic compressor seems to be the least demanding compressor. I found I could combine those with some of the more demanding effects to create usable patches. Still, I think it's a mistake for Zoom to include them when using them creates so many limitations.

One other minor thing is starting to bug me. When you're in patch mode, the bottom half of the LCD shows the name of the patch you're on. The top half of the LCD shows the patch numbers for the three patches that you can call up with the pedals. So, if I'm on patch 251 (a custom patch I called "main"), I have to remember that patch 252 holds my slap tone, and 252 holds my funky dynamic filters. Displaying the names instead of (or in addition to) the numbers would be more helpful.

Again, I'm being really picky here. Overall I'm very happy with this purchase.
 
There are fewer amp sims and what are there lack any sort of cabinet emulation.

They don't lack cab similation, they just lack the ability to change the cab. They have that Multi-Layer IR tech.

There are way (I mean way) too many presets. 250 presets is just too much. So many of them sound the same.

I completely agree. I don't mind that there are 250 slots-- overkill, but in a good way. At least this is solvable.

I'll probably make one or two dozen defaults (starting chains) and then overwrite all that factory data with "EMPTY" patches. ... "Clear your mind..."

There are a few effects (synth-talk and tri-chorus for example) that don't seem to able to be used in a patch with any other effects. They're grayed out unless they're the only thing in that bank. That's weird and inconvenient, especially if you're relying on an amp sim. They should have either upped the specs of the pedal or left those out IMO. (Though they both are really cool.)

They're greyed out because they're bypassed. The idea is that you'd be in "EFFECT" mode and turn them on when you want them via footswitches. If the CPU was maxed you couldn't put them in the chain at all.

In addition to the 5 effects slots I was expecting, there's a weird sixth slot that holds a metronome. But there's no audible click. I guess if you use a lot of delay, the looper, or drum machine, this might be useful. But it's weird to me that it sits in the effects chain like a pedal. That should have been it's own separate button or be integrated into the effects that use them.

Yea, not a metronome. Just an always-available tap tempo and tempo adjustment thing. The tempo you tap from that corresponding foot-switch also affects the Rhythm module.

Same goes for the drum machine. It's weird to treat that like a pedal. It would have been better as a separate function.

The nice thing about being able to choose where to put RHYTHM in the chain is you can feed it into FX (like filters & reverbs). And you can free up the CPU when you don't need it. Same with the Looper, you can strategically put it before or after FX depending on what you want "burned" into your loop, vs what you might want to change when you go to play along.

I can't decide how I feel about the bypass button. I can imagine some situations where it might be useful. But I wish it didn't also disable the selection on the DI. It should just turn off all the effects.

Press and hold does that.
 
Got mine in today and have been looking through it and the iPad app. This is going to be fun and will keep me busy for a while. Will get it plugged up to the amp tomorrow and start testing.
I won’t use the DI normally, but it will be great to have if I ever just want to take this out as a fly rig.
Hoping this thing is great. If it is and the Di out sounds good live, a bunch of pedals may go on the market.
 
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Also, I found you can use some effects in combination with the synth talk, tri-chorus, and other demanding effects. But it's pretty limited. The Monotone amp sim seems to be the least demanding amp. The Dynamic compressor seems to be the least demanding compressor. I found I could combine those with some of the more demanding effects to create usable patches. Still, I think it's a mistake for Zoom to include them when using them creates so many limitations.

Respectfully disagree on this. You're suggesting that Zoom should get rid of all the high-CPU effects so you can always use any five modules in a chain. I'd MUCH rather have access to the high-CPU modules, and just know that if I use them, I'll need to be careful with my other choices. It's a small price to pay for all that flexibility.

I suppose the Library window COULD show us the CPU% needed for each module-- and perhaps even show the available CPU%-- (factoring in the other modules currently in the chain-- outside the library).

One other minor thing is starting to bug me. When you're in patch mode, the bottom half of the LCD shows the name of the patch you're on. The top half of the LCD shows the patch numbers for the three patches that you can call up with the pedals. So, if I'm on patch 251 (a custom patch I called "main"), I have to remember that patch 252 holds my slap tone, and 252 holds my funky dynamic filters. Displaying the names instead of (or in addition to) the numbers would be more helpful.

It's a pretty small display, so the options are pretty limited. The workaround is to have some little reminder sheet on the floor with patch-names & patch-numbers. Not elegant, but again, it's a tiny display.
 
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One other minor thing is starting to bug me. When you're in patch mode, the bottom half of the LCD shows the name of the patch you're on. The top half of the LCD shows the patch numbers for the three patches that you can call up with the pedals. So, if I'm on patch 251 (a custom patch I called "main"), I have to remember that patch 252 holds my slap tone, and 252 holds my funky dynamic filters. Displaying the names instead of (or in addition to) the numbers would be more helpful.

In the MENU, you can click on PRE-SELECT (and turn it on). Now you can use the Left/Right arrow keys to cue up the next patch you want (and see its name). The corresponding foot switch will flash before you tap the foot switch to actually load it. Again, not ideal, but somewhat addresses your issue. I don't find those cursor buttons terribly easy to use with feet. YMMV.
 
hi all ,

There is any big diference ( except the size) with the B6 model? ,

i mean , B24 is seems to be the compact form factor of the B6 , and some specs from Zoom´s web site are pretty similar betwen them ,

sorry if any of you did the same question before

cheers!
 
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I don't have a B6, so this is just based on what I've seen, read, heard.

B6 has 2 inputs (foot-switchable), B24 has 1.
B6 has Send/Return loop, B24 does not
B6 has 88.2K sample rate, B24 doesn't publish a sampling rate
B6 has 6 effect slots, B24 has 5
B6 has IR loader, B24 has fixed cabs, but has multi-layer IR
B6 has longer looping capability via SD, B24 does not.
B6 has more button modes that B24
B6 has a more responsive (less annoying) user interface than the B24.

The amp/effect selection is similar enough to be something of a wash (IMHO). 4 (B6) vs 6 (B24) DI models doesn't seem like a very important factor. Though the B24 lacks custom or selectable IRs, the flexibility of the available EQ seems like it makes this less of a shortcoming-- but some people really lean on IRs either because the crave a very specific sound, or they don't want to fuss with EQ as much.

Hope this clarifies.
 
I think for that "classic" octaver pedal kind of sound, the "BASS ANALOG OCTAVER" does really well. Low latency and feels good under the fingers. I think it's a triangle wave? Or maybe a dull square? It doesn't seem to track my bass's low open E very well, but pretty good above that. It also has a level knob for "Oct2" which is -2 octaves. This is pretty much overkill, but if you plugged a guitar in, I bet it would be sort of useful.

For a less synthy octave down, I think the "BASS POLYPHONIC PITCH SHIFTER" works pretty well. There's a little bit of latency, that kind of makes me think of an upright bass. I'm usually bothered by latency, but this isn't too bad, for what it is doing. The MONO PITCH SHIFTER is a bit faster to respond, but sounds muddier.

For octave up, the "BASS MONO PITCH SHIFTER" works OK. You have to play really cleanly, and even then it will sound stupid here & there.

The one called "PITCH SHIFT" is perfect when you want a pitch shifter that sounds terrible and stupid; like when you're trying to emulate a late 80's digital pitch shifter. Yea, I might use the app to delete that one as well.
 
To my Zoom B2 Four bros and sisters, I have a 9 minute supercut of a gig I played last month, using only my B2 Four and FOH. I am quite pleased with how it performed and ended up sounding.

The club did a multi-track recording, which my bandmate has put together on a Google drive. It's not quite ready for openly sharing, but in the interest in the B24's performance, if anyone wants to hear/see, message me and I'll share.
 
For any Zoomers who have any older models (like B3n, MS60b, or B1 Four) and now have the B2 Four-- I'm curious what differences/improvements you notice in terms of dynamic range, low-end, general sound quality, and FX quality.

On some YouTube comment threads (mainly for the B6), I've seen a few off-handed remarks that dismiss all Zoom FX as being similarly mediocre (in a word). But in my experience, Zooms are more than decent, and I've seen a fairly steady progression in sound quality from the earlier units. I didn't spend much time with the B1 Four, but I've found the B2 Four to have more pleasing bottom end, better dynamics, and usable FX (compressors). I'm guessing it has something to do with overdrive/distortion, which is not my area-- and for me that it comes down to "flavors of dirt" (as in: literal metaphor).

I'm guessing this topic has been worn out on the Zoom mega-thread, but I've not cracked the spine on that tome.
 
One thing that is preventing me from making the jump to the B2Four from my B1Four is the naming of the presets. On the B1Four, they are organized by type and named appropriately by effect name. The B2Four names the presets by song titles, many of which I am not familiar with. Is this really a problem or am I overthinking it.