Ah, right, putting the DI button next to the display. Great idea. One would not be accessing that DI button very often at all-- so blocking the display is not a big deal. Fun musing, but of course, none of this matters.
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Ah, right, putting the DI button next to the display. Great idea. One would not be accessing that DI button very often at all-- so blocking the display is not a big deal. Fun musing, but of course, none of this matters.
Has anyone managed to make a decent patch that mimics Justin Chancellor’s Schism sound? I’ve given it a few tries but can’t seem to get close. I’m also a complete noob to setting up patches so I’m sure it’s something I’m doing wrong
Volume question:
With actual pedals and an amp, I dial the pedals to how I want them to sound, and then use the amp and its master volume to amplify the sounds. Is that how you are all doing it with the B24?
For example, I used a patch yesterday with compressor and amp and it sounded fine through my desktop monitor speakers. Volume for each item was around 75-80 from the LCD panel. At practice last night, with in ears, I was told the signal was too hot to the mixer, so I reduced to about 45-50 for each.
How do you guys recommend using/adjusting the volume? I feel like I'm overthinking it, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something.
With actual pedals and an amp, I dial the pedals to how I want them to sound, and then use the amp and its master volume to amplify the sounds. Is that how you are all doing it with the B24?
For example, I used a patch yesterday with compressor and amp and it sounded fine through my desktop monitor speakers. Volume for each item was around 75-80 from the LCD panel. At practice last night, with in ears, I was told the signal was too hot to the mixer, so I reduced to about 45-50 for each.
How do you guys recommend using/adjusting the volume? I feel like I'm overthinking it, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something.
If I'm feeding the output into an amp, I don't use an amp model. And I don't think you need to use anything in the chain for clean gain (boost of level from bass to board). I compare my dry level (everything bypassed) to my wet level and I go for just a little volume increase, compared to dry, but not much. If a sound engineer says the level is too hot, that would mean that with the mixer's channel gain all the way down, it's still clipping the input-- or it's just generally much hotter than expected.
Since the B2 Four has no dedicated patch level, it makes sense to use the Master Volume for an overall adjustment; and within each patch, pick some level control on some module such that it won't affect your tone or amount of distortion/overdrive or compression, etc.
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Just noticing that with the factory patches, switching to dry (bypass) there is no change in level.
I do not. I know I won’t get the exact tone, but, being so new, I’m struggling to find out what the signal chain might be to even get close.
I agree that a new set of round-wound strings will get you most of the way there.
Try a pretty severe compression. Try the DUAL COMPRESSOR (or possibly the MULTIBAND COMPRESSOR)-- these will help push the highs a bit (i.e., the lows won't switch the highs). An amp sim will help with boosting the lows a little, and scooping the low mids. Try "SMR400". Set the mid at 250Hz then turn the mid level down. Bass & Treble to taste. Make sure the gain is low enough so it doesn't overdrive at all.
Hey guys,
I’m still waiting for the b2 four here in Thailand but I guess it will take some more months before they release it here. Thinking about Gt1b, how is it compared to the b2 four? Should I get the gt1b now or wait for the b2 four? Would the wait be worth it? Or maybe a Headrush Mx5?
Thanks in advance! Cheers!
I’m still waiting for the b2 four here in Thailand but I guess it will take some more months before they release it here. Thinking about Gt1b, how is it compared to the b2 four? Should I get the gt1b now or wait for the b2 four? Would the wait be worth it? Or maybe a Headrush Mx5?
Thanks in advance! Cheers!
GT-1B vs B2 Four? That's a difficult one to answer for someone else. (I have a Boss SY-1000 which I expect has similar fx & sound.) I think you probably would be happy with either, but for different reasons.
Check out the manuals, FX lists, watch/listen to some demo vids for both. For the B2 Four, also check out B6 demos (as B2 Four demos are harder to find) since the FX are probably the same.
The GT-1B has a better selection of FX and Boss effects are generally good (except for their reverbs, IMHO). I think you can have 8 simultaneous FX (vs 5 on the Zoom). Boss probably gives you more options with the buttons & expression pedal than the Zoom. The Boss gives you more sound parameters to control.
I haven't compared the sound quality side by side, for things like noise level, dynamics-- I expect they'll be fairly similar.
Check out the manuals, FX lists, watch/listen to some demo vids for both. For the B2 Four, also check out B6 demos (as B2 Four demos are harder to find) since the FX are probably the same.
The GT-1B has a better selection of FX and Boss effects are generally good (except for their reverbs, IMHO). I think you can have 8 simultaneous FX (vs 5 on the Zoom). Boss probably gives you more options with the buttons & expression pedal than the Zoom. The Boss gives you more sound parameters to control.
I haven't compared the sound quality side by side, for things like noise level, dynamics-- I expect they'll be fairly similar.
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With the Boss GT-1B you cannot have the 3 footswitches switch between 3 presets, you can only scroll up or down. Also the effect assignment is not as free as the B2Four. For example you cannot stack 2 distortions in one patch. You can assign a footswitch to be a dedicated switch for the tuner, or for example engage/disengage 3 effects simultaneous within a patch with 1 FS. And you can assign which parameters are controlled with the 3 rotary encoders (but that is global) .... Just a few specifics
.In my experience it is often these 'small' things that can be dealbreakers or dealmakers. If you have specific needs you will have to study the manuals...
.All three devices you mention have satisfied users so there will be no consensus which one is better , it really depends on your desired features and workflow.
I'm interested in the b2four... But are the overdrive tone and distorted Sound better than the B3n?
Can't speak to the B3n. I wrote my own overdrive patches, as I didn't like any of the presets. They can get pretty nasty (in a good way). Makes me think I don't need a darkglass or tone hammer on my board at all.
Meant to say the distortion and overdrive effects I've written can get pretty nasty.
My $.02 as a B3n & a B6 owner - I think the OD/distortion tones are the best they've sounded to date. How much that comes down to sample rate, IDK. I wish they'd publish those sample rate specs on the B24. Maybe they won't publish because it might be right on par with the B6 sample rate, which in turn might cut into the sales of their flagship model. Or, if it's not greater than any previous models, then could be a put off for some people too. Kind of difficult to say without all the facts. But the odds seem to be in favor of a higher quality tone than previous models, given the B3n and the B24 are a couple of generations away from each other. I think the rightful expectation from the consumer's point of view, would be for better processor & sample rate specs than zoom models 2 generations back. Whether that's the case or not, I hope we eventually find out. Are you listening Zoom - we need specs!
It probably wouldn't be super scientific to run test tones /white noise through the unit (with pass-thru only-- no amps, FX, or perhaps just an EQ with all settings neutral)-- and see how high it goes. I have an audio interface that I can set to a very high sample rate-- so I could run sweeps or noise samples, and do null tests to see if there's any difference if I send 44.1K, 48K, 88.2K and 96K. ... I could, but I probably won't.
On a related topic, I was messing with Digitech multi-FX from recent years, and the quality of the reverb, delays and other fx are really great. However, none of the amps work for bass-- even the tube clean, none of the cabs, either. And the signal quality wasn't anywhere near as nice as the B2 Four's.
On a related topic, I was messing with Digitech multi-FX from recent years, and the quality of the reverb, delays and other fx are really great. However, none of the amps work for bass-- even the tube clean, none of the cabs, either. And the signal quality wasn't anywhere near as nice as the B2 Four's.
I’ve been toying with the idea of one of these to replace my larger, heavier pedalboard.
I’ve actually never bought a multi-fx before. I messed with some old Digitech for guitar 10 years so, and I had a Line 6 guitar amp for a minute when I was 14, but I imagine digital effects have come a long way in 10-15 years.
At the time, they sounded very digital, almost clipped to me.
I have a tuner, MXR M80, a Sansamp BDDI, ehx fuzz, proco rat, MXR bass chorus, a reverb in there right now, and a volume pedal.
Seems like fuzz/dirt overload, I know, but they have their unique places for me.
Still, I feel like the b4 could replace a lot of that in rehearsals as well as add some more traditional effects I’m not using.
Has anyone recorded with it yet? I suspect I’ll still go back to my M80 or BDDI for recording.
Are you able to program and cycle through boards for specific songs/sets?
Encourage my GAS.
I’ve actually never bought a multi-fx before. I messed with some old Digitech for guitar 10 years so, and I had a Line 6 guitar amp for a minute when I was 14, but I imagine digital effects have come a long way in 10-15 years.
At the time, they sounded very digital, almost clipped to me.
I have a tuner, MXR M80, a Sansamp BDDI, ehx fuzz, proco rat, MXR bass chorus, a reverb in there right now, and a volume pedal.
Seems like fuzz/dirt overload, I know, but they have their unique places for me.
Still, I feel like the b4 could replace a lot of that in rehearsals as well as add some more traditional effects I’m not using.
Has anyone recorded with it yet? I suspect I’ll still go back to my M80 or BDDI for recording.
Are you able to program and cycle through boards for specific songs/sets?
Encourage my GAS.
